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August 4, 2022 at 18:30 #1610009
“BTW, does anyone anticipate that potentially next year’s 2000G winner could come out of this race? So much talent here. Probably the best 2-year olds on the Continent!”
Unlikely imo, lots of speedy types
May well see the commonwealth cup winner though
August 4, 2022 at 18:41 #1610012Little Big Bear wins this en route to winning the 2023 2,000 Guineas.
Not only is his dam a Listed winner at 1m2f110yds and a granddaughter of Arc winner All Along, Little Big Bear is a half brother to winners at 1m2f and 2m!
Sire No Nay Never actually has a stamina index of 7.4f, isn’t the one-dimensional sire of precocious sprinters many imagine him to be, and it is INCONCEIVABLE that Little Big Bear won’t be even better at a mile next May than he is at 6f right now.
He won the Anglesey Stakes over 63yds further than here, going away, but despite reverting to the bare six, he will make quality count at The Curragh on Saturday afternoon.
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https://www.facebook.com/ThePointtoPointNHandFlatracingpunter/August 4, 2022 at 19:07 #1610018I’m going to take shartash and persian force against the field at 9/1 and 6/1 respectively
Was very impressed with shartash last time, by invincible spirit out of a dubawi mare he should keep getting better and better
watching the Coventry back persian force looked a bit greener than bradsell to me
Bradsell responded the second he was asked for his effort whereas persian force was still a bit clueless as what to do, but when he did he finished strongly
August 4, 2022 at 19:15 #1610021Always respect your views, FF.
One thing is for sure – it’s the strongest 2yo contest for quite some time and good to see six winners of 15 races – including the Prix Robert-Papin, the Coventry, the Anglesey, the Railway and the July Stakes – by the month of August putting their reputations on the line.
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https://www.facebook.com/ThePointtoPointNHandFlatracingpunter/August 4, 2022 at 19:17 #1610022“Sire No Nay Never actually has a stamina index of 7.4f, isn’t the one-dimensional sire of precocious sprinters many imagine him to be”
A few progeny stats for no nay never
Overall strike rate 12% (263/2106)
Strike rate with 2yos 18% (134/747)
Which means his striker rate with 3yo+ is 9.5% (129/1359)Strike rate 5-6f 16%
Strike rate 7-9f 10%August 4, 2022 at 19:44 #1610024I’m remaining faithful to Bradsell. When Hollie Doyle won the Coventry with him, she described the rest of the field as “sitting ducks” shortly before she unleashed him. I pretty much suspect Bradsell will win again in similar style.
Smashing line-up though!
August 4, 2022 at 19:55 #1610025Little Big Bear is out of Adventure Seeker and damsire is stamina influence Bering. Adventure Seeker only beaten in a mile and a half Group 2 by 1/2 length. With Racing Post comment “finished strongly” and time broke standard by 1.7 seconds too, so not slowly run. Stayed 1m4f well.
So I’d expect LBB to stay further next year than most No Nay Never three year olds. 7f yes, 1m will probably depend on his temperament.
Value Is EverythingAugust 5, 2022 at 20:04 #1610109I’ve got little big bear as love him
Also for value got shartash
Great looking line up
VF x
August 5, 2022 at 21:08 #1610114Plenty to take on Bradsell with
he could be the best horse and has an abundance of potential but is plenty short enough
I think he was in the best place at Ascot as the draw seemed a bit biased
Persian Force got going a little late that day and Rossa will be more prominent in position take up.
Blackbeard had the worst place of all to come from that day
Add Little Big Bear and Shartash in the mix and its danger everywhere you look
I’ll be laying Bradsell to 2 placesAugust 5, 2022 at 22:47 #1610126I think 6/4 is very fair for the comfortable Coventry winner who’s main aim has been this race since Ascot. The others have had to go out again, the experience needed to get them as competitive as possible for this race. Archie knows he’s got a top draw horse on his hands ready to win at the highest level and I can’t shy away from him.
Even if I’m wrong, I don’t have any regrets backing him at this price on what I have seen on all form.
Top race though, fo sho.August 6, 2022 at 06:22 #1610143A competitive Commonwealth Cup 2023 trial for the market leaders. Hard call between Bradsell and LBB.
August 6, 2022 at 09:37 #1610163Blackbeard NR.
Don’t know why – maybe the complete nutter was digging for gold/oil/whatever last night and ended up mining a tunnel out of his box and escaped.
Last seen riding a motorbike like Steve McQueen towards the border.
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https://www.facebook.com/ThePointtoPointNHandFlatracingpunter/August 6, 2022 at 11:48 #1610193Was pretty messed up when I got in last night and decided to put £20 on Bradsell in a muti-sport acca, no chance it comes in. Literally had a 2 minute look through the racing and saw Bradsell and remembered how impressed I was with him at Royal Ascot – saw he was 6/4 and thought what a steal. Woke up this morning and realised it’s a group 1 with proper horses in competition, no idea what egg and spoon race I thought I was looking at last night lol. Evens or around that is very short for what’s lining up against it today, he really did look a class apart in terms of 2yos I thought at Ascot so all things equal he should win well, however these 2yo races can be so sketchy you never know how much these other ones are improving between races.
August 6, 2022 at 16:08 #1610241Little Big Bear and Shartash for me.
LITTLE BIG BEAR win
SHARTASH each way
The home players have things in their favour but this is a small field.
Bradsell has not put a foot wrong in two runs.August 6, 2022 at 16:17 #1610242He’s Little.
And yet Big.
And he’s a BEAR.
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https://www.facebook.com/ThePointtoPointNHandFlatracingpunter/August 6, 2022 at 16:19 #1610243That is an extremely fast horse Jesus
Could be a new star sprinter
August 6, 2022 at 16:21 #1610244Brilliant
yes he is fast but wasn’t stopping -
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