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  • #1610009
    FinalFurlong91
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    “BTW, does anyone anticipate that potentially next year’s 2000G winner could come out of this race? So much talent here. Probably the best 2-year olds on the Continent!”

    Unlikely imo, lots of speedy types

    May well see the commonwealth cup winner though

    #1610012
    IanDavies
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    Little Big Bear wins this en route to winning the 2023 2,000 Guineas.

    Not only is his dam a Listed winner at 1m2f110yds and a granddaughter of Arc winner All Along, Little Big Bear is a half brother to winners at 1m2f and 2m!

    Sire No Nay Never actually has a stamina index of 7.4f, isn’t the one-dimensional sire of precocious sprinters many imagine him to be, and it is INCONCEIVABLE that Little Big Bear won’t be even better at a mile next May than he is at 6f right now.

    He won the Anglesey Stakes over 63yds further than here, going away, but despite reverting to the bare six, he will make quality count at The Curragh on Saturday afternoon.

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    #1610018
    FinalFurlong91
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    I’m going to take shartash and persian force against the field at 9/1 and 6/1 respectively

    Was very impressed with shartash last time, by invincible spirit out of a dubawi mare he should keep getting better and better

    watching the Coventry back persian force looked a bit greener than bradsell to me

    Bradsell responded the second he was asked for his effort whereas persian force was still a bit clueless as what to do, but when he did he finished strongly

    #1610021
    IanDavies
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    Always respect your views, FF.

    One thing is for sure – it’s the strongest 2yo contest for quite some time and good to see six winners of 15 races – including the Prix Robert-Papin, the Coventry, the Anglesey, the Railway and the July Stakes – by the month of August putting their reputations on the line.

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    #1610022
    FinalFurlong91
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    “Sire No Nay Never actually has a stamina index of 7.4f, isn’t the one-dimensional sire of precocious sprinters many imagine him to be”

    A few progeny stats for no nay never

    Overall strike rate 12% (263/2106)
    Strike rate with 2yos 18% (134/747)
    Which means his striker rate with 3yo+ is 9.5% (129/1359)

    Strike rate 5-6f 16%
    Strike rate 7-9f 10%

    #1610024
    Ghost of Rob V
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    I’m remaining faithful to Bradsell. When Hollie Doyle won the Coventry with him, she described the rest of the field as “sitting ducks” shortly before she unleashed him. I pretty much suspect Bradsell will win again in similar style.

    Smashing line-up though!

    #1610025
    Gingertipster
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    Little Big Bear is out of Adventure Seeker and damsire is stamina influence Bering. Adventure Seeker only beaten in a mile and a half Group 2 by 1/2 length. With Racing Post comment “finished strongly” and time broke standard by 1.7 seconds too, so not slowly run. Stayed 1m4f well.

    So I’d expect LBB to stay further next year than most No Nay Never three year olds. 7f yes, 1m will probably depend on his temperament.

    Value Is Everything
    #1610109
    vikingflagship
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    I’ve got little big bear as love him :good:

    Also for value got shartash :good:

    Great looking line up

    VF x

    #1610114
    Nathan Hughes
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    Plenty to take on Bradsell with
    he could be the best horse and has an abundance of potential but is plenty short enough
    I think he was in the best place at Ascot as the draw seemed a bit biased
    Persian Force got going a little late that day and Rossa will be more prominent in position take up.
    Blackbeard had the worst place of all to come from that day
    Add Little Big Bear and Shartash in the mix and its danger everywhere you look
    I’ll be laying Bradsell to 2 places

    #1610126
    Chivers1987
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    I think 6/4 is very fair for the comfortable Coventry winner who’s main aim has been this race since Ascot. The others have had to go out again, the experience needed to get them as competitive as possible for this race. Archie knows he’s got a top draw horse on his hands ready to win at the highest level and I can’t shy away from him.
    Even if I’m wrong, I don’t have any regrets backing him at this price on what I have seen on all form.
    Top race though, fo sho.

    #1610143
    Mike007
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    A competitive Commonwealth Cup 2023 trial for the market leaders. Hard call between Bradsell and LBB.

    #1610163
    IanDavies
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    Blackbeard NR.

    Don’t know why – maybe the complete nutter was digging for gold/oil/whatever last night and ended up mining a tunnel out of his box and escaped.

    Last seen riding a motorbike like Steve McQueen towards the border.

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    #1610193
    Ben_Bernanke
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    Was pretty messed up when I got in last night and decided to put £20 on Bradsell in a muti-sport acca, no chance it comes in. Literally had a 2 minute look through the racing and saw Bradsell and remembered how impressed I was with him at Royal Ascot – saw he was 6/4 and thought what a steal. Woke up this morning and realised it’s a group 1 with proper horses in competition, no idea what egg and spoon race I thought I was looking at last night lol. Evens or around that is very short for what’s lining up against it today, he really did look a class apart in terms of 2yos I thought at Ascot so all things equal he should win well, however these 2yo races can be so sketchy you never know how much these other ones are improving between races.

    #1610241
    sporting sam
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    Little Big Bear and Shartash for me.
    LITTLE BIG BEAR win
    SHARTASH each way
    The home players have things in their favour but this is a small field.
    Bradsell has not put a foot wrong in two runs.

    #1610242
    IanDavies
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    He’s Little.

    And yet Big.

    And he’s a BEAR.

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    #1610243
    FinalFurlong91
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    That is an extremely fast horse Jesus

    Could be a new star sprinter

    #1610244
    Nathan Hughes
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    Brilliant
    yes he is fast but wasn’t stopping

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