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  • #1297370
    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
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    I’ve just added another, and it’s Henri Parry Morgan, 33’s with Sportsbook.

    Just seen that Robbie Dunne is booked for him, and very keen on him now, I think he’s a cracking jock in these big chases. Henri was a big fancy of mine for The National this year, and I think having watched him at Aintree in the 3 mile handicap, he’s crying out for this trip. Nicely down the weights too, and from a trainer who does well at Ayr, I can’t leave him alone now. 33’s is just too big.

    That leaves me with

    Kruzhlinin
    Fine Rightly
    Portrait King
    Henri Parry Morgan

    all 33’s each way, with bigger odds on the exchanges for my #1 hope, Kruzhlinin.

    #1297403
    greenasgrass
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    Added Alvarado 33-1 E/W; he has had an unspectacular season but was 2nd in this last year and 4th in the G.N. the two years before that, so solid form for one good spring run per year. There are 4 horses above him who have, or will have, run in the past week so I think he’ll get in.
    He has an entry in the bet365 but I think he will go here.

    #1297406
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    It will be Henri Parry Morgan for me too, and I think that 33-1 is a good price for the horse. I just worry a little about his jumping but at that price he will do in what looks like a very open race

    #1297474
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    Arpege D Alene at 14/1 ran really well at festival and i think BLAKEMOUNT at 50/1 got a chance expect him to run well to.

    #1297491
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    Andrew Lynch back on Fine Rightly for the first time in a while.Was looking at the big prices on the exchanges all week but was convinced he would not run. Had an E/W bet at 33’s earlier on and hoping for some 50’s when the market opens up.

    #1297493
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    Cogry works hard for a living…

    #1297546
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    This is looking tougher every time I look at the race.

    Presently I am focusing on the lower weights as not many winners of this have lumped loads of weight which is a mute point but hey ho we all have to start somewhere.

    I have backed COGRY and PORTRAIT KING at 33/1 SUGAR BARON 20/1 and GONE TOO FAR at 100/1 purely and simply because of the weights they are carrying. I see Paddy Power are going six places and I have backed all except Gone Too far with PP.

    Good Luck Everyone :good:

    #1297557
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    Added with Paddy’s 6 places 1/5 odds
    Kruzhlinin 25-1
    Blakemount 50-1
    to go with earlier bets (fewer places) on
    Fine Rightly (prob too much weight now)
    Straidnahanna
    Alvarado
    All bets E/W
    Should probably have waited for 6 places for them all, but impatience, greed (for better odds) and fear (of odds shortening) got the better of me.

    #1297632
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    I see Paddy Power are going six places and I have backed all except Gone Too far with PP.

    Good Luck Everyone :good:

    Thanks for that Raymo, could not resist the 6 places offer E/W last night

    Just checked now and they are back to 4 places

    Thanks again :good:

    #1297646
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    Have narrowed this down to four:

    The only one I have backed yet is Fine Rightly at 33/1. I like three others here but may well just watch, as usual. They are Cogry (yes I know he’s a rogue, but catching the eye again in last two very competitive races), Vintage Clouds and Vivaldi Collonges (gave One for Arthur a stone and a thrashing in the Novices’ in this meet here last year).

    Loathe to rule out Seldom Inn (would be nailed on if at Kelso) and Shotgun Paddy will always give a run for your money in a race like this.

    If that dog HPM wins this I’m giving up the game.

    #1297649
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    Loathe to rule out Seldom Inn (would be nailed on if at Kelso)

    I fear that jumping fences in a big field will scare the cr*p out of him! Happy to be proved wrong though.

    Jim Beaumont has an interest in another horse in the race and I wouldn’t be surprised if Portrait King scrapes into a place at a fancy price.

    #1297672
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    I’ve been backing Portrait King all season and have never been so proud of him, seeing him run as well as he did in the Topham. Call me sentimental, but i struggle to see how he couldn’t have gone close if he had a prayer of getting in the National itself. More than happy to take this instead!

    Vintage Clouds and Henri Parry Morgan get the nod as well.

    #1297673
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    Really tough year.

    MISSED APPROACH – Ran really well in a non-vintage National Hunt Chase but the handicapper has taken it literally, needs a career-best.

    VIVALDI COLLONGES – The yak who’ll probably carry my money. Various excuses this season (right-handed not suiting, not fit, scoped dirty) and has a blinding record at Ayr. Presumably this was the plan as soon as he passed the post in the novices’ handicap at the meeting last year, but wellbeing has to be taken on trust now.

    FINE RIGHTLY – A tad ungenuine, usually seen in small fields and handicapped to the hilt.

    KRUZHLININ – Totally exposed.

    VICENTE – The obvious one, could easily repeat last year’s win from a similar mark. Does have to get over a fall quickly and hasn’t totally convinced this season, though.

    ARPEGE D’ALENE – Has been publicly plotted at this by Nicholls and brings a similar profile as Vicente did last year. Did look a tad quirky and paceless in the 4 Miler but hard to rule him out.

    SELDOM INN – Most recent Kelso win not to be taken literally, as proven on latest start. Tough task.

    BATTLE OF SHILOH – Would be interesting if there was some excuse for his most recent run (haven’t heard any), previously a nice progressive staying chaser

    SOUTHFIELD ROYALE – Well-handicapped and buzzing again before falling in the Kim Muir (cruncher), needs to prove confidence isn’t dented but has to be bang there if he wings the first few. As always with Mulholland, the morning market should tell you what to expect.

    DANCING SHADOW – Worked a miracle to come from behind in a lesser event at Musselburgh but that form hasn’t worked out. At least stays and might be an EW option.

    PREMIER BOND – Obvious claims on staying-on Kim Muir third but that is hardly a standout piece of form. Nice horse and might well win but looks short enough right now.

    STRAIDNAHANNA – Another proven stayer but often found out at this level

    SHOTGUN PADDY – Usually falls apart at this time of year and has had another hard season in all the slogs, likely to recoil

    BENBENS – Asking a lot to match 3rd of two years ago from a similar mark at his age.

    LESSONS IN MILAN – Absolute scoundrel, not to be trusted at all. Even when perked up by first time headgear and enjoying the run of the race, he couldn’t win at Newbury. Avoid.

    AL CO – Former winner, hard to predict but has a chance if in the mood. Another in-running one perhaps – you’ll know what’s up after half a circuit.

    ANOTHER HERO – Weak finisher, stamina doubts but has been running well in competitive races and his yard is flying. Not for me but will probably be backed.

    HENRI PARRY MORGAN – Regressive, short on confidence. How could you trust him?

    VINTAGE CLOUDS – Always looked likely to enjoy this sort of test and not as ground-dependent as he’s made out to be (by Cloudings out of a Germany mare, has good ground form). Only a soft fall at Cheltenham and one of the leading chances if his confidence isn’t shaken. GN Trial form looks rock solid.

    SUGAR BARON – Dour stayer but can he hold his position well enough to make it count?

    BLAKEMOUNT – Totally exposed.

    FIREBIRD FLYER – Gone at the game.

    DAWSON CITY – Rarely one for win purposes but certainly one who’ll keep grinding away and might chug on into a place from a low weight

    TRUSTAN TIMES – Tipped by Paul Kealy but asking a lot to repeat his previous placing in the race at such an advanced age. Managed a win over hurdles and yard going well but is fragile and has to be taken on trust that he’ll cope with two races in (for him) quick succession.

    PORTRAIT KING – Excelled himself in the Topham but has had so many goes in this sort of race without threatening, best to have a long memory and steer clear I think

    COGRY – Seems to have sorted out the jumping somewhat but hasn’t managed to win weaker events at the testing tracks he likes best. Hard to fancy him around here.

    ALVARADO – Impossible to write him off yet. Depends whether he’s in the mood but took to the course surprisingly well last year racing more prominently than usual before keeping on to get a place. In-running job again perhaps.

    GONE TOO FAR – Gone at the game.

    FATHER EDWARD – LOL

    MAN WITH VAN – Probably won’t deliver. Has had plenty of chances and usually comes up short.

    So it’s Vivaldi Collonges and Vintage Star for me, possibly others to follow if they look like they’re buzzing in-running. Good luck!

    #1297714
    Avatar photoCharlesOlney
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    MAN WITH VAN – Probably won’t deliver.

    Great comment and I have to say I agree with most of what you’ve said throughout.

    At 33/1 Vivaldi is a big enough price to worth taking a risk with and this race looks perfect for Vintage Clouds albeit 2 falls from 3 races is a tad unnerving.

    The one who’s weighted to win is Southfield Royale but he has to be forgiven for what he’s done this season and trusted to get over the Cheltenham disaster. Even so, the trainer is going well (4 wins from last 7 runners over fences) and I’d be hopeful of a big run.

    #1297734
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    I know it was before One for Arthur was tongue tied, but See you at midnight slaughtered him at Kelso.

    In fairness to my chap, he was a different animal at that point and connections had no idea how he should be run as a hold up horse worked into the race.

    Plus that was only over 3m and that’s just not his trip.

    3m is a sprint for him almost

    #1297736
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    Southfield Royale at 10s and Portrait King at 33s.

    Would kick myself if Krushlinin wins as he stood out to me when looking through the race originally.

    But am sticking with my 2.

    Shall be recording the race and watching when I get home from the footy. Who wouldn’t fancy a day out at little Rotherham away?

    #1297773
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    Added a small E/W on Firebird Flyer @ 100/1 6 places BOG

    Looks totally out of form this year, but has eventually slipped down to his mark which saw him second in the Welsh National

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