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January 28, 2017 at 16:55 #1284275
Un De Sceaux…win a Champion Hurdle?
January 28, 2017 at 16:56 #1284276You sound confused. UDS was originally trained to be a champion hurdle horse. He might not have the raw speed of a typical ch winner but neither does Yanworth who sits at the top of the field bar Faugheen.
edit: I should add I can only see this happening if it were anyway soft come March.
January 28, 2017 at 16:59 #1284278This race looks like survival of the fittest now!!
I am glad I have only had a small wager on Nicholls Canyon at 33/1
Ante Post it looks a mess!!
January 28, 2017 at 18:20 #1284295Almost immediately after I backed Ivanovich G at 85s, he spiked and was matched at 150s. Currently nothing to lay. Bit confused by that as he’s declared for tomorrow.
Last matched at 44 now lol
January 28, 2017 at 20:14 #1284316Really hoping they opt to send Jezki here. I have 130’s (only £5 mind)
January 28, 2017 at 20:31 #1284322That’s an interesting bet you’ve got there. I like your position.
January 28, 2017 at 21:59 #1284355Cheers Zark – I think no Annie and possibly no faugheen will make their minds up for them, especially if there isnt a dominant force in the ICH tomorrow.
January 28, 2017 at 22:22 #1284366If Petit Mouchoir wins, Buveur D’Air has to go for the Champion Hurdle, surely. JP would have most likely the front 2 in the market in him and Yanworth. Unless…
that resulted in Yorkhill turning up here too since Wylie might want a runner. So we’d have the 1st + 2nd favs for the JLT gone, which would expose that race for the farce it is. Has no place at the Festival and serves only to increase betting turnover and confuse the ante-post markets – win-win for the bookies. Let’s have a look and see if we can find any value in that market, just incase this scenario arises.
If Nichols Canyon wins and shows that he’s better than Petit Mouchoir, Yorkhill surely has to run in this?
It’s a very confusing situation. I’m happy to only be involved in long-priced runners (MTOY, L’Ami Serge, Buveur D’Air, Ivanovich G) to small stakes.
January 28, 2017 at 22:24 #1284368I know its only been described as a ‘pulled muscle’, but IF Faugheen doesnt make it to Cheltenham will we see Yorkhill rerouted to the champion hurdle? OR Un De Sceaux? Personally I think UDS would win it in his sleep and we know Yorkhill could.
The way UDS jumps would really worry me if he went to a chanpion hurdle. The likely big field hustle and bustle with that hurdle 3 out, i could see him falling.
Leave him to go off favourite for the Ryanair
They’d have VVM go in this I’d assume if Faugheen doesn’t make the race
January 28, 2017 at 22:30 #1284371Really hoping they opt to send Jezki here. I have 130’s (only £5 mind)
Fair play. You are sitting in a decent spot here if he runs.
I’ve only got MTOY antepost each way at 33s on the grounds of Faugheen and AP being doubts at the time and he’s so consistent
Only in multis though looking for a place at little over 8/1.
January 29, 2017 at 00:05 #1284405Jumping obviously a concern but isn’t it the same with Faugheen? A good strong pace would clean out his jumping and if he were allowed to go out and get everything his own way I think he’d be very hard to peg back (especially if it were anyway heavy).
Bearing in mind I have absolutely no doubt in my mind we’ll never see this happening but nevertheless thought Id throw it up for discussion.
January 29, 2017 at 00:49 #1284409They’d have VVM go in this I’d assume if Faugheen doesn’t make the race
After that run at Donny!?!?! I’d say she’ll never run over 2m ever again!
January 29, 2017 at 01:38 #1284412You sound confused. UDS was originally trained to be a champion hurdle horse. He might not have the raw speed of a typical ch winner but neither does Yanworth who sits at the top of the field bar Faugheen.
edit: I should add I can only see this happening if it were anyway soft come March.
You seem confused. That is a chaser. And a bloody good one. Who’s beaten him? Only Sprinter Sacre. Would be a very reliable deputy for Douvan, if something caused him not to run in this.
January 29, 2017 at 08:22 #1284417If Faugheen is announced as a non runner then the Mullins stable may well run Yorkhill in the Champion Hurdle and he will be one of the market leaders. Faugheen can be backed at 4/1 on Betfair and Yorkhill had a last matched price of 13.5/1. These odds suggest that Faugheen is only a 50:50 chance to turn up. If Yorkhill is switched then he will have his work cut out to beat Yanworth who surely would have beaten Yorkhill last year given a better ride, he must have given 10 lengths away with the wide route taken by the jockey but was beaten under 2 lengths. Comments in running: Yorkhill…..Took keen hold, held up in rear, not fluent 4th and 7th, not much room bend before 3 out, progressed to track leaders 2 out, squeezed through on inner to lead on bend before last, 3 lengths up and fine jump last, edged right and ridden out. Yanworth…. Held up in rear, progress on wide outside after 7th, close up when mistake 3 out, challenged after 2 out, chased winner before last, stayed on but not pace to challenge. Yorkhill was given a great ride by Ruby and Yanworth a poor ride by Barry Geraghty.
If Petite Mouchoir wins well today he will likely become the new favourite as he is currently trading at 5/1 on Betfair. Some will make a case on form lines that Buveur D’air should switch to this race but Petite Mouchoir has clearly improved since last season. Tom Segal stated that Buveur Dair was the fastest horse in the Henderson yard and was told this by Nicky’s wife at a hospitality lunch, however I cannot see him switching unless the ground becomes soft (which is unlikely based on past festivals) or if Yanworth is scratched. JP Mcmanus already has the favourite and if Yorkhill is switched he would have the new favourite for the JLT. For me Yanworth is the most likely winner, but for a poor ride by Geraghty last year he would be unbeaten over hurdles, there are no doubts about his participation and you know he will run to his best in the race, he is a model of consistency. Petite Mouchoir is the danger.January 29, 2017 at 09:17 #1284423If Faugheen is announced as a non runner then the Mullins stable may well run Yorkhill in the Champion Hurdle and he will be one of the market leaders. Faugheen can be backed at 4/1 on Betfair and Yorkhill had a last matched price of 13.5/1. These odds suggest that Faugheen is only a 50:50 chance to turn up. If Yorkhill is switched then he will have his work cut out to beat Yanworth who surely would have beaten Yorkhill last year given a better ride, he must have given 10 lengths away with the wide route taken by the jockey but was beaten under 2 lengths. Comments in running: Yorkhill…..Took keen hold, held up in rear, not fluent 4th and 7th, not much room bend before 3 out, progressed to track leaders 2 out, squeezed through on inner to lead on bend before last, 3 lengths up and fine jump last, edged right and ridden out. Yanworth…. Held up in rear, progress on wide outside after 7th, close up when mistake 3 out, challenged after 2 out, chased winner before last, stayed on but not pace to challenge. Yorkhill was given a great ride by Ruby and Yanworth a poor ride by Barry Geraghty.
If Petite Mouchoir wins well today he will likely become the new favourite as he is currently trading at 5/1 on Betfair. Some will make a case on form lines that Buveur D’air should switch to this race but Petite Mouchoir has clearly improved since last season. Tom Segal stated that Buveur Dair was the fastest horse in the Henderson yard and was told this by Nicky’s wife at a hospitality lunch, however I cannot see him switching unless the ground becomes soft (which is unlikely based on past festivals) or if Yanworth is scratched. JP Mcmanus already has the favourite and if Yorkhill is switched he would have the new favourite for the JLT. For me Yanworth is the most likely winner, but for a poor ride by Geraghty last year he would be unbeaten over hurdles, there are no doubts about his participation and you know he will run to his best in the race, he is a model of consistency. Petite Mouchoir is the danger.I disagree.
No question Yanworth has given away lengths going wide from up the hill and round the corner towards the third last which as you say he jumps poorly (Yorkhill was also hampered by OOSeven). BG probably thought he had enough horse under him to take Yanworth wide and still win. Yes, a better ride would have put Yorkhill under more pressure earlier in the race, but I don’t think it would have changed the outcome. BG is hard at work on Yanworth turning in and Ruby doesn’t touch Yorkhill until he jumps the last. Yes, it’s a 2 length win and Yanworth has given away more than that, but it is hard to see how a horse that flew up that hill and won so decisively would not have found for that pressure.
Yanworth is 0/2 at the festival and I think it will be 0/3 come March because in my eyes they have picked the wrong race and he should be going up in trip. His last race is a good example. He won well but as the commentator points out turning in ‘Yanworth is having to dig even at this comparatively early stage of the race’ – looks more of a stayer to me and I think he will get done for speed. Wins over TNO and Lil Rockerfeller were encouraging but on good ground over 2m at Cheltenham he will get done for speed.
January 29, 2017 at 09:56 #1284434Put it this way of it was the other way round and yorkhill was 4 horses wide the whole race and Yanworth had the rail there’s no chance he would of got within 2 lengths. The wrong horse won on the day and I admit that does happen often so I’m not surprised about it. My point is if they met again Yanworth would win supposing he got a decent ride
January 29, 2017 at 10:18 #1284439Put it this way of it was the other way round and yorkhill was 4 horses wide the whole race and Yanworth had the rail there’s no chance he would of got within 2 lengths. The wrong horse won on the day and I admit that does happen often so I’m not surprised about it. My point is if they met again Yanworth would win supposing he got a decent ride
I disagree and think the best horse won but I suppose that’s the beauty of the game – we all have opinions and see things differently. I completely get where you are coming from.
I would love to see them supplement Yorkhill and watch him beat Yanworth again.
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