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  • #1318983
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    Been holding off waiting to see which one of the three of Ian Williams entries would start moving on Oddschecker, looks like its London Prize.

    Hasn’t run since winning Northumberland Plate consolation which hopefully means being kept under wraps for the race, has form on all ground and on the pick of his hurdles form could be still well handicapped.

    Missed the bigger prices now (never been really above 20s) but 16s could look big on the day if the yard get stuck in to it so that will do for me.

    All of the above is tempered by the fact that I don’t think I’ve backed the winner of this since Trainglot in 1990 :negative:

    #1320110
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    Sternrubin will miss this, and embark on a chasing career.

    Although disappointed that I won’t get to see him here, I think it’s the right decision as far as the race is concerned, and his run last time gave him little chance. Not quite sure I see him as a chaser, but will be happy to be proved wrong.

    As for this race, I’ll stick with Euchen Glen for the timebeing, happy with that one, and I have a couple of quid the way of Shrewd. Definitely a race where I’ll want a second one running for me properly, and it might well be Shrewd who I top up on, but I will wait till the 5 days decs at the earliest.

    #1320134
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    I was really interested in LAGOSTOVEGAS for this, but thought she might be bound
    for the Irish equivalent. She’s dropped out of that, and although you never know with Willie Mullins,
    if she is bound for this, and I really hope she is, then the 25/1 with Sky is far too big
    for her. She moved to Mullins in May and after a PU in a H’c Hurdle she was run in 2 flat races in
    July, the 1st over 2m 1f at Killarney, where she looked like she could have won it pulling a cart,
    quite impressive. The latter was in a valuable race over 2m 1f at Galway, where she was just pegged
    back in the final furlong behind her less fancied stable mate and a head behind Swamp Fox, who she is
    6lb better off with this time, in 3rd. Willie kept her to H’cap Hurdles after that, running 3 times and
    winning the last 2 at Kilarney and Listowel. I’m hoping that Willie had this in mind after her 2 very
    good flat races, and kept he hurdling after that to protect her mark. If a few at the top of the
    market turn up, she will be carrying nothing. If she does appear, I can see her odds crashing down,
    maybe to single figures. I think she’s well worth a crack at Sky’s 25/1 :good:

    #1320891
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    Good luck with her Graham, and has been very popular today. After the weekend Mullins had, not surprised to see the support.

    #1320894
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    Happy enough with my 25’s Euchen Glen, and my backup Shrewd at 33’s, and pleased I got the 5 places, but definitely a race where I’ll want another.

    I’ve had a look at the 5 Day Stage, and unfortunately most of the one from my original post are still there :wacko: , which just doesn’t make it any easier, and I’ve not gone off any of them either………

    Swashbuckle
    Dubawi Fifty
    Oceane
    Swamp Fox
    Couer De Lion
    John Constable

    I really badly want to side with one of them, particularly Swamp Fox, or Couer De Lion, and I’m still kicking myself for not trading Dubawi Fifty, when I thought he should be favourite, but there you go. It’s a real headscratcher, and with the final decs just a couple of days away, it would make sense to wait, and see the going/draw etc…….

    However, I find myself keeping going back to Landsman. I’m not necessarily going to go down the road of “he’s trained by Tony Martin, so he’ll have been laid out for it”, as although he’s won it, he’s had plenty run in it who haven’t done the business, and generally I think he’s a tiny bit overrated on the old “plot” front. Certainly in the bigger races. I do like Landsman though, and whether or not Martin has only the one win, what is clear is that he does target it seriously. He might just be due ;-) He’s got a couple ahead of Landsman in the betting, and I’d prefer Nathans choice of The Graduate, to Golden Spear, but I just like the way this boy did it at Fairyhouse in June, never giving up, and I think he’s perfect for a step up in trip. Nice low weight, and the dry week ahead should suit him. I had to have a go at that 40’s, and on each way.

    One of the very few flat races where I always have a bigger budget, and though I had more than I would have liked on Sternrubin, I’ve still got a few quid to play with, and the Landsman punt is bigger than Shrewd. Any of the 3 will do for me. If any don’t get declared, I will just go in again, as still got a few quid left in that budget.

    Euchen Glen 25’s ew
    Landsman 40’s ew (4 Places)
    Shrewd 33’s ew

    #1320974
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    I have had an interest on three in this so far

    DUBAWI FIFTY 12/1
    EUCHEN GLEN 14/1
    GETBACK IN PARIS 33/1

    Only small so far as I am waiting for the extra places and am willing to sacrifice a couple of points for more places

    #1321000
    moehat
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    Just had an ew on Cape Caster even though he’s probably only there to aid John Constable [who, I assume, is going to get the good ground that he needs]. Also hoping that Rolling Maul will get in. Haven’t really looked at the race properly, having been away for several weeks, but will miss it for the first time ever as am out on Saturday [but hoping to be able to nip into a bookies if possible!].

    #1321155
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    You never know moe, wouldn’t be the first time that a stables outsider, outshone the more fancied one, and certainly wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened from this yard ;-) and he’s a nice price as well, good luck with him.

    #1321168
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    Going for the Mark Johnston pair Time To Study 14/1 and Watersmeet 33/1 (Coral).
    The ground should be ideal for both of them and Watersmeet is running fresh having had a holiday since May, he is a course winner and unlike Time To Study he has won over 2 miles on the all weather at Chelmsford beating Godolphin’s Winning Story.
    Tricky one. Good luck in sorting out the winner..Jac :rose:

    Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...
    #1321194
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    Sternrubin will miss this, and embark on a chasing career.

    Although disappointed that I won’t get to see him here, I think it’s the right decision as far as the race is concerned, and his run last time gave him little chance. Not quite sure I see him as a chaser, but will be happy to be proved wrong.

    Just read this Bobby. Another one who’s surprised to see him going chasing but as they don’t go as fast he may be able to stay further (obviously jumping dependent). I’ll be hoping and praying everything goes alright each time he runs.

    #1321199
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    Going for the Mark Johnston pair Time To Study 14/1 and Watersmeet 33/1 (Coral).
    The ground should be ideal for both of them and Watersmeet is running fresh having had a holiday since May, he is a course winner and unlike Time To Study he has won over 2 miles on the all weather at Chelmsford beating Godolphin’s Winning Story.
    Tricky one. Good luck in sorting out the winner..Jac :rose:

    I also like Watersmeet Jac. Cost me a bucketload of cash AW Finals day in finishing 2nd to Winning Story but you can’t fall out with a horse like that. A typical Johnston front runner. I also like Shrewd who finished 3rd in the trial.

    #1321214
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    Laws Of Spin @ 20/1

    #1321247
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    Not really a Ces fan myself but I noticed a unique double in the offing.

    Oddschecker have John Constable 8/1 Fav for the Cesarewitch. Amazingly he is also 8/1 Fav for the Coral Sprint Trophy on their website.

    That’s what I call a versatile racehorse. Presumably they will ride him aggressively in the Sprint to make it a true test :whistle:

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1321257
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    John Constable is thrown in here – he must have at least a stone in hand. Since he had his wind operation prior to falling at Aintree he has improved out of recognition and now looks like he could run well in a Champion Hurdle. A mark of 88 looks fair on the ‘old’ John Constable, but the wind op seems to have transformed him and 8/1 seems more than fair.

    #1321262
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    Going for the Mark Johnston pair Time To Study 14/1 and Watersmeet 33/1 (Coral).
    The ground should be ideal for both of them and Watersmeet is running fresh having had a holiday since May, he is a course winner and unlike Time To Study he has won over 2 miles on the all weather at Chelmsford beating Godolphin’s Winning Story.
    Tricky one. Good luck in sorting out the winner..Jac :rose:

    I also like Watersmeet Jac. Cost me a bucketload of cash AW Finals day in finishing 2nd to Winning Story but you can’t fall out with a horse like that. A typical Johnston front runner. I also like Shrewd who finished 3rd in the trial.

    Good luck with Watersmeet and Shrewd homer. :good:
    Watersmeet’s had some tough races first part of the year but won 3 out of 6 of them so hopefully he comes into this nice and fresh after a break. Last time he won on the Rowley Mile he beat Dashing Star over 1 mile and a half but this is longer and he’ll need all that renewed energy to get that steep uphill finish, but he always runs a genuine race so why not go with him he’s as good as any and a good each way chance..Jac :rose:

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    #1321331
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    Time for another ill advised foray into Flat betting. Paddy’s are doing 1/5 odds 7 places and I have lumbered
    Byron Flyer at 25s and Mirsaale and First Mohican both at 50s with my EW hopes.
    Good luck tomorrow all

    #1321333
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    Now that my Sternrubin bet is dead, I’m backing Time for Study at 14/1. Though he has an extra 4f to race he looks a real grinding, tough type who may be able to battle it out from near the front. 3 year olds don’t have a great record but the trainer did win with one back in 1998, and has had success in this race since also with Scatter Dice. He won’t mind what the ground is like and is a big player for me.

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