The home of intelligent horse racing discussion
The home of intelligent horse racing discussion

Caspian Caviar Gold Cup 2017

Home Forums Big Races – Discussion Caspian Caviar Gold Cup 2017

Viewing 17 posts - 18 through 34 (of 61 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #1331640
    Avatar photoBigG
    Participant
    • Total Posts 14497

    Even by your standards, that’s an absolute brammer of a write up Bobby :good:
    I’ve hung off until the 5 day stage, I’ve been stung a few times this year with
    some that didn’t make the final decs. It’s worked out well, and not quite so
    well. I had fancied Calipto, who on his old form a while back would put him on
    an attractive mark. I didn’t take the 40s and he’s out so I dodged a bullet. My
    other fancy LE PREZIEN is still there, but the 10s have gone so I’ll
    take the 8/1 that’s best on offer now. I think he might count himself a little
    unlucky last time out in the Betvictor Gold Cup, he was left a great deal to do
    by Geraghty, but made up ground hand over fist without quite getting there. It might
    be a blessing that he didn’t win the Betvictor, he gets a 2lb rise for an eye catching
    run in 3rd, whereas Starchitect gets 4lbs and Splash Of Ginge gets 5lbs. Nicholls seems
    in pretty decent form of late, and I think Clan Des Obeaux is a big danger, but I’ll
    stick with Le Prezien at this time.

    #1331657
    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
    Moderator
    • Total Posts 16023

    Thanks Graham.

    I’m definitely waiting until final decs, but proper bullet dodged by holding off, as I really like that Cepage. It’ll probably be between Foxtail Hill, Ballyalton, and On Tour for me. Good luck.

    #1331658
    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
    Moderator
    • Total Posts 16023

    @Steeplechasing

    Joe, I seen enough of Go Conquer that day at Ascot, to think it has to be the graded route. Really keen on him for Ryanair, but I’ve been betting him for Gold Cup too, no harm in chancing it, at the big odds he’s been.

    #1331668
    Avatar photojoliff
    Participant
    • Total Posts 350

    A few trends over the last 15 renewals to get us in the mood:

    15/15 – Aged 8 or younger
    13/15 – Ran within the last 5 weeks
    12/15 – Placed in the top 3 last time out
    12/15 – Had won over at least 2m4f (fences) before
    12/15 – Had won between 2-4 times over fences before
    11/15 – Went onto run at the Cheltenham Festival later that season (no winners)
    10/15 – Had raced at Cheltenham (fences) before (4 won)
    10/15 – Returned 8/1 or shorter in the betting
    10/15 – Officially rated 142 or higher
    9/15 – Unplaced favourites
    9/15 – Aged 6 or 7 years-old
    9/15 – French bred
    7/15 – Carried 10-13 or more
    5/15 – Ran at Cheltenham last time out
    5/15 – Ran in the BetVictor (Nov) Gold Cup last time out (1 won)
    4/15 – Finished in the top 5 in the Bet Victor Gold Cup last time out
    4/15 – Won last time out
    4/15 – Trained by Paul Nicholls
    3/15 – Trained by Nicky Henderson
    2/15 – Went to an Irish-trained horse
    1/15 – Winning favourites (last winning fav 1996)
    The average winning SP in the last 15 runnings is 10/1

    #1331702
    Avatar photojackh1092
    Participant
    • Total Posts 3939

    King’s Odyssey is the one that stands out to me. As i am not mad into Antepost betting, i have missed the 20s etc available late November….10s or thereabouts now….

    Twitter: Jackh1092
    Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!

    #1331723
    ham
    Participant
    • Total Posts 3630

    13/2 about clan des obeaux will do for me, top weight at his age does slightly concern me, but cant argue with both his runs this season and nicholls does well with these types, similar enough to frodon last year.

    #1331729
    Avatar photoKevMc
    Participant
    • Total Posts 1326

    Clan Des Obeaux will needs to run very well off top weight but think he’s very talented who will enjoy the conditions. Form with Whisper boosted massively, he has to go close.
    11/2 is a short but at 7s+ probably on the day, he’s worth a good e/w go.

    Other one I like is Kings Odyssey. Will also enjoy conditions, had a nice prep and should come here fresher than those who ran in the BVGC.
    Unexposed type with a nice racing weight on his back, 10s and up looks value e/w if you can get on with the firms still paying 4 places.

    #1331736
    TommyNag
    Participant
    • Total Posts 63

    taken the 7/1 for CDO.

    Form could not have worked out better so far this season.

    #1331776
    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
    Moderator
    • Total Posts 16023

    Joliff, thanks for putting the trends up.

    #1331805
    buckers
    Participant
    • Total Posts 759

    Romain De Senam will do for me here at 14-1 each way. I like this race + will add one more on the day

    #1331836
    Avatar photoZamorston
    Participant
    • Total Posts 1141

    Absolutely kicking myself for not taking that 10’s on CDO!

    Been asleep at the wheel this week, been busy and taken my eye off things…

    Halved in price now and when I’ve missed one like that am usually reluctant to take the lesser price…no worries though getting on at 5’s as he’ll go off shorter no doubt!

    Think he’s just a different class to this lot…his Achilles heel has been making a mistake at a crucial time in the past but he safely put that to bed last time…a clean round of jumping and I can’t see anything to touch him!

    Hitting my usual run of form up to Christmas…Sam Spinner at 12’s…Blaklion at 5’s..CDO for three consecutive big race winners me thinks!

    #1331983
    Avatar photoMiddle_Of_March
    Participant
    • Total Posts 2833

    Brilliant write up VTC. Absolutely magnificent stuff.

    I really like Remain De Senam for this. Backed him last time and he just got a little bit tired. It was still a decent run in a competitive race.

    I think he’s a really good each way bet for this at 10s

    #1332005
    Avatar photoMarkTT
    Participant
    • Total Posts 3073

    Strange line up for a valuable, prestigious handicap. Nothing from Henderson, Hobbs, King, Pauling, Jonjo, Fry, Mulholland etc

    I’ll stick with Le Prezien and hope Barry doesn’t leave it so late this time.

    #1332027
    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
    Moderator
    • Total Posts 16023

    Yeah, strange one for sure Mark, and probably best not asking those yards who aren’t represented here, as to why, as I’m sure the excuse/explanation/reason would be a poor one anyway. Dismal, and I’m sure there’ll be at least another Non Runner.

    Anyway, on to the race, and I feel as if I’m already ahead here, as the two I was most likely to side with, On Tour, and Cepage, don’t make it.

    Not really going to overthink it too much. Clan Des Obeaux looked very good last time, but I won’t bet him here, as he would be great for my Gold Cup “book” if he won this, so I’ll stick with the tried and tested. Ground went against both Foxtail Hill, and Ballyalton last time, but I’ve went with them again here, 16’s each way, and 9’s win respectively, and expecting a decent show from the pair of them.

    #1332107
    Avatar photoGingertipster
    Participant
    • Total Posts 34704

    Clan Des Obeaux could be well ahead of the handicapper here. Probably get 4/1 in the morning, but anything better than 3/1 worth taking imo.
    Le Prezien did well to finish best of the hold up horses in the VC, could easily improve if jumping better; 13/2 imo under-estimates his chance by some way.
    Guitar Pete was out of it before they reached the first last time out, before that seemed to be improving. Worth a speculative wager @ around 14/1.

    Value Is Everything
    #1332132
    Flyers Nap
    Participant
    • Total Posts 288

    Good shouts early CDO,classy individual,interesting to see how he goes.

    Guitar Pete is the one who appeals on current ratings.

    The Wetherby run was very promising,expecting much better tomorrow.

    No surprise poor turn out after the last meeting,about time cheltenham were taken to task re going reports.

    #1332161
    ham
    Participant
    • Total Posts 3630

    Have added Kings odyssey 8/1

    Not the greatest of lineups, CDO is far too short now off top weight,happy i got on earlyish

Viewing 17 posts - 18 through 34 (of 61 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.