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What else is there?
Kingston Hill seems to be going under the radar of many people yet could emerge as a chief threat to all.
Shifting Power by a baw hair in the Free Handicap. That’s not Guineas form there.
I knew shifting powers form against treaty of Paris was no where as good as it appeared and took advantage of the other horses odds.
What else is there?
Kingston Hill seems to be going under the radar of many people yet could emerge as a chief threat to all.
He certainly went under mine!
Kingston Hill seems to be going under the radar of many people yet could emerge as a chief threat to all.
Kingston Hill surely needs soft ground to play a part in The 2000 Guineas. His profile last year was very much that of a stayer and he’ll be facing the fastest horses he has met so far if he lines up at Newmarket.
I didn’t think that last year’s Racing Post Trophy was a strong renewal and I selected Kingston Hill for the race by default, rather than a strong belief in the horse himself. As it turned out he hosed in on the ground with several of his rivals toiling in behind. It is one of racing’s biggest mistakes, in my opinion, to get carried away with wide margin winners when conditions are muddy underfoot and I think Kingston Hill was cut to a false price for the 2000 Guineas on the back of a good looking performance. We have to ask what he beat that day, and at the time it was a worry to me that a maiden finished second. That maiden has had two further runs, one in a maiden race, and he’s still a maiden. The horse is Johann Strauss and he was 6th when favourite yesterday, finishing behind a 66/1 shot in the process. The overall form of Kingston Hill’s races looks modest with only one winner emerging from his three races and that was a maiden winner rated 76, who finished last of 10 next time. Somewhat hasn’t shone since and The Grey Gatsby running second to Toormore probably looks the best bit of form from anything that ran behind Kingston Hill.
Mud would seem his best hope of troubling the market leaders.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Ertijaal could be a consideration for minor places, I’m expecting him to run well today although like Steve points out the Haggas yard are out of form at present but an interesting horse all the same.
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I see the Racing Post hype machine is off and running with this year’s renewal already described as ‘epic’ on the front page. Have they been watching too many moneysupermarket adverts?
Brigadier Gerard v Mill Reef v My Swallow would safely fit that description and El Gran Senor’s year was pretty good too but:-
Kingman v Australia v Toormore?
What else is there?
There is still a doubt about War Command even running. The Spanish horse adds a story but in all likelihood isn’t good enough.
Nothing behind in the Greenham or Craven can seriously be expected to figure. The likes of Be Ready and Berkshire ran in a manner that would suggest they would be hard pressed to win any race this season.
What else was there in the Brigadier – Mill Reef – My Swallow guineas?
As usual it is time that will determine how good the Guineas is / was. How many times does a race look vintage before the event yet afterwards the form doesn’t look up to that much. The 2014 Champion Hurdle springs immediately to mind.
Must agree with HIMSELF about the Guineas.However I would like to add Sea the Stars to those great horses who won the Guineas before going on to win the Derby and the Prix de l’arc .
Kingston Hill seems to be going under the radar of many people yet could emerge as a chief threat to all.
Kingston Hill surely needs soft ground to play a part in The 2000 Guineas. His profile last year was very much that of a stayer and he’ll be facing the fastest horses he has met so far if he lines up at Newmarket.
I didn’t think that last year’s Racing Post Trophy was a strong renewal and I selected Kingston Hill for the race by default, rather than a strong belief in the horse himself. As it turned out he hosed in on the ground with several of his rivals toiling in behind. It is one of racing’s biggest mistakes, in my opinion, to get carried away with wide margin winners when conditions are muddy underfoot and I think Kingston Hill was cut to a false price for the 2000 Guineas on the back of a good looking performance. We have to ask what he beat that day, and at the time it was a worry to me that a maiden finished second. That maiden has had two further runs, one in a maiden race, and he’s still a maiden. The horse is Johann Strauss and he was 6th when favourite yesterday, finishing behind a 66/1 shot in the process. The overall form of Kingston Hill’s races looks modest with only one winner emerging from his three races and that was a maiden winner rated 76, who finished last of 10 next time. Somewhat hasn’t shone since and The Grey Gatsby running second to Toormore probably looks the best bit of form from anything that ran behind Kingston Hill.
Mud would seem his best hope of troubling the market leaders.
If you look at Kingston Hill’s overall career. He’s beaten The Grey Gatsby further than what Toormore has ever done and Oklahoma City by two lengths who’d previously beaten Postponed by one and a half lengths. So one could say, at least, that Kingston Hill is somewhere on a par with Toormore.
While it appears that Kingston Hill seems suited to soft ground, it is quite probable that, like his sire (Mastercraftsman), he could perform on Gd/Fm going. One of Mastercraftsman’s finest races was when he gave Sea The Stars a fright in the Juddmonte International on Gd/Fm.
Personally, I can see Kingston Hill running a solid 2000 but finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th. Even so, you still have to take notice of a horse that is still unbeaten.
If you look at Kingston Hill’s overall career. He’s beaten The Grey Gatsby further than what Toormore has ever done and Oklahoma City by two lengths who’d previously beaten Postponed by one and a half lengths. So one could say, at least, that Kingston Hill is somewhere on a par with Toormore.
While it appears that Kingston Hill seems suited to soft ground, it is quite probable that, like his sire (Mastercraftsman), he could perform on Gd/Fm going. One of Mastercraftsman’s finest races was when he gave Sea The Stars a fright in the Juddmonte International on Gd/Fm.
Personally, I can see Kingston Hill running a solid 2000 but finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th. Even so, you still have to take notice of a horse that is still unbeaten.
The Grey Gatsby weakened quite badly in the Racing Post Trophy and probably didn’t get home on the ground, so it might be wise to take the winning margins with a little pinch of salt. Toormore was also conceding 3lbs in The Craven and the Hannon stable haven’t been cherry ripe thus far. I expect Toormore to come on a bit for that and he’ll have a sharpness advantage on Kingston Hill, whose main targets probably lie later in the season.
I expect the Spanish horse to make the running on the day and I would imagine Toormore would want to track him and make sure there is a strong enough run race to try to draw the kick out of Kingman, who you would think can only be beat if the stamina issue is brought to the fore.
Jim McGrath seemed very concerned that Kingman runs with bandages on his legs but he could run dressed like an Egyptian Mummy for me, as long as he shows the burst he did in the Greenham.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Backed War Command this afternoon at 14s on the hope that quick ground and Kingman swerves… or if he turns up should be good for a place.
With less than 2 weeks to the race there are still a million runners quoted for the race. We have no hopers, near certain non starters and a horse with a heart problem prominent in the betting.
How many runners are we likely to see on the day? Has Kingman got them running for cover, or all they still quaking regarding the unleashing of the legend in waiting, Australia?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
A lot depends on the state of the ground, not unsurprisingly, I expect liberal use of the watering can in an attempt to ensure good ground. They will say that this is to ensure safe ground, but I suspect that it is really to ensure that Kingman runs.
At this stage I am inclined to oppose Kingman as his current odds are too short (11/10) especially as he may not run if the ground is fast (ie somebody has nicked the watering can).
Australia is just about backable IMO now (7/2), I am inclined to take a chance on him, admittedly more with hope than confidence.Well Paddy Power might have just stole the watering can STM
They go 2000 guineas official going as follows
2/5 Good to Firm
5/2 Good
6/1 Any OtherBlackbeard to conquer the World
Hannon is planning to run all three (Toormore, Night of Thunder and Shifting Power) according to his website.
THEY say there is safety in numbers, and Richard Hannon revealed this morning that he will be three-handed in the Two Thousand Guineas at Newmarket on Saturday week, with Toormore being joined in the first colt’s classic by Shifting Power and Night of Thunder.
Hannon said:"Toormore has a massive chance, Shifting Power?"could be the dark horse and Night of Thunder has improved since Newbury and is fully entitled to take his chance. They all have different owners, who are keen to give it a go, so why not?"
Elaborating on the trio’s prospects, Hannon added:"I would imagine that Hughesie will choose Toormore. He has never been flashy and we were very happy with his victory in the Craven.
"He was last season’s champion two-year-old, so it was great to see him carry on where he left off. He did everything that was required, and, like all of ours, he will definitely come on for the race.
"He is a great mover who goes on any ground, and I would envisage that he could improve between 5lb-7lb for his first run which would put him right in the mix.
"Night of Thunder was obviously beaten by a very good horse in Kingman at Newbury, but everything went Kingman’s way, and, hopefully, our fellow won’t pull as hard if they go a faster pace in the Guineas, and he’ll also benefit by stepping up to a mile. He got tired in the closing stages, but he’ll be sharper now and, while I am not saying that he will reverse the form with Kingman, he could well finish much closer.
"Shifting Power will also improve for stepping up to a mile. He won the Free Handicap in good style and is a big horse who was always going to make a better three-year-old. You ignore him at your peril.
"If Hughesie opts for Toormore we will sort out jockeys for the other two. We’d love to have Ryan Moore if he does not ride for Aidan (O’Brien), but I am sure we won’t be short of volunteers."
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Well Paddy Power might have just stole the watering can STM
They go 2000 guineas official going as follows
2/5 Good to Firm
5/2 Good
6/1 Any Other"Official" being the opperative word Nathan.
Wishfull thinking comes in to this.
It is basically an opinion of one man, and that man himself is (officially at any rate) trying to achieve "good-firm". He wants to be successful in his exam and the person marking his paper is……………… himself.
If ground is on the firm side of good-firm or more like good than good-firm – it is easy for the man in charge to think of it as "good-firm". I’ll give myself an "A".
If it is blindingly obvious there is no "firm" in the ground, then unless it is (genuinely at least) soft – then you can expect it to be called "good". Giving a mark of B+…
Hence what would seem to be strange bookmaker prices.
Value Is EverythingHannon is planning to run all three (Toormore, Night of Thunder and Shifting Power) according to his website.
Maybe they are planning to gang up and box in Kingman.
I can’t see Night Of Thunder turning round a comprehensive defeat by the favourite and Shifting Power looked no more than smart when lifting the Free Handicap.
The talk is of different owners wanting to take their chance but I see it as more likely there isn’t much between the three horses in reality.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I have a belief that if you have a possible winner in your barn you don’t crowd him out with lesser horses from the yard.Horses whom he is beating every morning.No motive there to run any faster.And they may box him in by accident.In other words if you have one good enough to win then you win with him.No need for peacemakers in the Guineas.
Similarly with Ballydoyle.If they have one good enough to win they won’t enter any others.No need to have Joseph struggling against Ryan Moore like last year.Better to have only one runner (like Camelot) in the race.
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