2000 Guineas 2014

Greenham Views

Very impressive win by

Kingman

now deserved favorite for 2000 Gns, no value left in 2000 gns now as Kingman should win that race. There is a chance he wont run if firm ground but that is unlikely. Lets hope that he is campaigned abroad at least as a 4YO as he is special. Runner up

Night Of Thunder

ran well just unlucky that he came up against an outstanding opponent. Night Of Thunder may well run in the French 2000 Gns due to his ability to handle soft ground.

Astaire

didnt stay so presumably will go sprinting now.

Karakontie

may take part in the next 2000 Guineas. He ran at Longchamp today in the Prix de Fontainebleau. His performance was interesting for his return, beaten only by Ectot who gamely held him off. He hasn’t been as impressive as Kingman, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he grabs a third place at Newmarket. He’s an interesting contender for the Guineas.

I can’t recall trainer Jonathan Pease ever having a runner at Newmarket. The stats for the last 10 years on the ATR site show that Mr Pease has had FIVE runners in Britain during that time. 3 at Ascot, 1 at Newbury and 1 at York. None of those horses won and Maxios, his most recent high profile runner on these shores, ran appallingly in the QEII at Ascot, where he was more than 30 lengths worse with Olympic Glory on their previous meeting in France, over same trip and going. It was often said that some French wines didn’t travel well and it could be that this trainer is suffering the same malaise with his horses.

I reckon Kingman is a lock for the race and I think he could, and probably should, be odds on come the day.

If it comes up firm or good to firm in the guineas then war command will be there at the finish. Wouldn’t surprise me to see Australia miss the race but with Geoffrey Chaucer being obriens fav at the moment for the derby maybe he is looking at Australia over 10f. Ground conditions could well decide the result of the guineas. I think we are in danger of overhyping kingman as Australia was and don’t think he is a good thing for the guineas by any means.

Kingston Hill looks unlikely to run now. Over 25/1 on exchanges compared to as low as 7/1 with bookmakers.

How many Guineas winner’s has O’Brien trained? Yes 6 all first time out as well has having 2 horses placed 2nd and a couple other in the 1st 4. He knows how to train a horse to perfection to win that race,I would not concern myself one bit with most of his horses needing a run early season that’s how he has always trained.

Now onto Australia-I must admit I found it strange that he was going for the guineas given his pedigree but the notion that you cant have speed for a mile race if you have a middle distance pedigree is wrong,you only have to go back to pre 93 and it was the norm in the guineas. Iv never heard talk of Australia going for the triple crown and I very much doubt that coolmore have given it any thought (once bitten) Galileo has nothing to prove as a sire and indeed you would imagine that War Command would be number 1 given that his sire has gained from having a good season last yr,WC winning the guineas would surly add to that.

So ask yourself why is this horse number 1? Having trained 6 winners of the race already Aiden knows what it takes and what kind of horse is needed and that’s good enough for me

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So ask yourself why is this horse number 1? Having trained 6 winners of the race already Aiden knows what it takes and what kind of horse is needed and that’s good enough for me

Yes, but it can be soundly argued that 5 of those 6 winners were essentially specialist milers – nothing more, nothing less. The exception of course, being Camelot, who won the Guineas in spite of his breeding.

Camelot scraped home that day in a slow time, and I’ll bet you cannot name the second and third horses without googling them. A less distinguished pair to fill the places in the first colts’ classic you’d struggle to find.

The point being that most staying types ( Derby types, if you prefer ) who win the Guineas, are invariably out of the very top drawer – Nijinsky and Dancing Brave, for example – and who beat essentially non-stayers ( sprinters ! ) and plodders.

For Australia to win the 2014 Guineas, he will have to beat a top notch miler in Kingman. I don’t think Aidan’s Derby bred colt can do that.

Im not saying Australia will win but they way he slammed free eagle in his last run without coming out of a canter was hugely impressive. free eagle could turn out to be better than all those behind kingman in the greenham so on form to me Australia is every bit as good as kingman but as you suggest the breeding doesn’t say a 2000 guineas winner. looks like being a fascinating race. they do say the guineas winner needs to be a 10f horse so I wonder if coolmore will put in a pacemaker to make it a true test. Kingfisher will probably do that job

They won’t need a pacemaker as the Spanish horse is in all likelihood a 7 furlong front runner.

You appear to be marking up potential and hype as the equivalent of achievement. On actual form Australia shouldn’t be single figures for the Guineas.

At the moment Free Eagle is another hype horse with just an easy maiden win to his name.

Having said that I don’t rate Doyle at all so I can’t have Kingman as a certainty. Newmarket is a very wide track but that still doesn’t stop hold-up jockeys making a mess of things.

Aeolus was an unlucky third and would’ve won if he’d had a better passage. The fact that Aeolus (last season) was stuffed by Night Of Thunder leaves Shifting Power with a fair bit to find with Kingman.

I think we can safely rule out Shifting Power as winner of the 2000