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After this long time they should definitely know by now if Calyx is fit or not, particularly as
beforehand they promised his full recovery by November.
If he is fit and well, there are ways to find out for such a good trainer if Calyx can stay the 8f,
and if not they should stop launching their empty speech bubblesCalyx has been out on tbe gallops Jack and from the short clip I saw he looked well if a little porky round the belly which is to be understood.
I did say I would only want to see him run in the Guineas if he were sound also meaning fit and truly only Gosden knows the answer.
It’s a confusing Guineas and still The Craven to come so to be honest I’m on the fence until then..Jac
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...It’s not about making this forum happy
After this long time they should definitely know by now if Calyx is fit or not, particularly as
beforehand they promised his full recovery by November.
If he is fit and well, there are ways to find out for such a good trainer if Calyx can stay the 8f,
and if not they should stop launching their empty speech bubbles Exactly, it’s not, sarcasm Hein!
Its not about being fit Hein, it’s about whether he is standing up to his training 100% after a long layoff, whether he’s the same horse etc. etc. They have a ready made horse that’s proven over the trip. There’s really nothing to see here IMO.
Well documented on this forum has been Gosden perhaps not focusing importance on the first classic of the season. So, why do you think this should change with a horse that hasn’t raced further than 6F and has been off the track since June? …..
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!I know Jack, being on an injury break for so long is a hard fact which I can’t deny.
I am just hoping that he convinces Gosden in the training work and still makes it to the race,
but if the news of his withdrawal came, I would have to accept and live with it.
By the way, I like it that you play pool :good:, as I thought over in Britain Snooker is very dominant yet..I’d say Johnny G hasn’t come out and said Calyx is a Guineas horse because they haven’t started to drill him hard yet and the injury could come back. They did exactly the same with Enable, didn’t commit to a target until very close to the September stakes last season. He may just think he’s a sprinter but i’d imagine he’d say that if it was the case.
Ballydoyle AFAIK only did their first proper piece of work at Naas yesterday, Calyx did his on Saturday i think. Same sort of prep, Gosden knows what he’s doing.
I’d say it’s probably 30/70 that he goes to the Guineas and about the same chance that he goes the Sandy Lane.
As for relying up one stat: it’s not really one though is it? I believe Gosden starting training in the UK in about 1990 so he has clearly a maximum of 29 opportunities to win the Guineas. Realistically, it takes time to get oneself up to speed in the training ranks, so even if it took him 10 years to get his yard in a situation where he could attract Guineas quality horses he still had 19 opportunities to win a Guineas and hasn’t hence nineteen opportunities not one.
It is you; CNC, who is saying Gosden horses were not ready for the Guineas… And you who is saying Gosden should have won the 2000 Guineas by now… And now you’re saying he had 19 opportunities to win a Guineas. Therefore, it is surely up to you to come up with a list of Gosden 2000 Guineas candidates who were not ready that should have won the 2000 Guineas?
Value Is EverythingWe will know before The Pavilion at Ascot ( although think it has a new name this year) but would be interesting if Calyx gets an entry in that race. Gosden/Owner has had runners in this recently
could you count Roaring Lion as not ready(even though he had had a run in the Craven), or he was unlucky racing away from the pace? ran to 115 rpr his second lowest of the season only better than his Craven run.
Just playing devil’s advocate btw
You can still get 16’s about Calyx for the Commonwealth Cup
although Gosden has never trained the winner in that eitherGaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
It is you; CNC, who is saying Gosden horses were not ready for the Guineas… And you who is saying Gosden should have won the 2000 Guineas by now… And now you’re saying he had 19 opportunities to win a Guineas. Therefore, it is surely up to you to come up with a list of Gosden 2000 Guineas candidates who were not ready that should have won the 2000 Guineas?
I said the fact that Gosden hasn’t won the Guineas despite being a good trainer indicates he doesn’t focus as much on the 2000 Guineas as other trainers. If he did he probably would have won it by now.
I didn’t say he should have won it by now. I said one would have expected him to have won it by now given his obvious credentials.
I don’t think I need to, nor do I have the time to, go through all the Guineas entries over the past 19 years and point out which ones weren’t fit enough. I think the lack of a winner from 19 years of entries and non-entries from his yard is sufficient to substantiate the point.
I didn’t say his horses should have won – I’m simply saying his horses didn’t win because he doesn’t put the emphasis on the races that others do.
So you’ve taken a simplistic statistic and came to a conclusion without wanting to look in to whether there’s anything in that statistic.
Can I be your bookmaker, please; CNC?
Value Is EverythingI think you’re being a bit unfair to CNC Ginge as what he said is perfectly true…as I put on my Tanya Stevenson hat and research the last 19 years
John Gosden has only run 5 horses four of which went on to become stallions ..2018 .. Roaring Lion – 5th
2014 .. Kingman – 2nd who went on to win the Irish 2000 Guineas
2012 .. Fencing 6th (now in Dubai)
2008 .. Raven’s Pass – 4th
2005 .. Iceman – 13th
In the year
2000 Gosden had his only Guineas success but in the 1000 Guineas
with Lahan
JG is extremely confident of winning his first 2000 Guineas and with good reason, with TDH already assured his place at stud it seems that all but one of every Gosden horse that has run in the last 19 years has gone on to become a Stallion..that, at least, must be a record for a trainer who has never won the race.
JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Can I be your bookmaker, please; CNC?
That would be quite fun having my own personal bookmaker. I feel very honoured. What odds will you give me on TDH?
John Gosden has only run 5 horses four of which went on to become stallions ..
Thanks Jac. It just seems quite obvious to me that for all the hundreds of horses coming through his yard, in the 19 years we’ve included in our scope, the fact that he can only muster 5 entries surely implies that he doesn’t focus as much on the 2000 Guineas as other trainers.
Ginger Tipster – I’m curious; what would you infer from that statistic? I guess you could always investigate every horse that Gosden has ever trained in 19 years and see why he could only muster 5 entries. I look forward to the analysis all X hundred horses.
It would be good for the race if he did run, but I would be a little surprised if Calyx made it, I had already assumed that he wasn’t running.
I am still firmly in the Ten Sovereigns camp.
Thanks Jac. It just seems quite obvious to me that for all the hundreds of horses coming through his yard, in the 19 years we’ve included in our scope, the fact that he can only muster 5 entries surely implies that he doesn’t focus as much on the 2000 Guineas as other trainers.
A person with a better memory of JG and probably racing in general would probably know how many 2yos Gosden has had that would fit the Guineas profile.
Currently though, i’d say Gosden’s owner group seems to be more down the line of proper top racing families + a lot of them tend to end up middle distance horses. Considering he is probably the top trainer in England, he doesn’t have a raft of 3yos to run in the 2000G like AOB has for example. He tends to give quite a few of his horses a debut and then finish them for the season or even a late debut on the AW.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!
John Gosden has only run 5 horses four of which went on to become stallions ..
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