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Yet the connections decide that good ground is not suitable enough and the race becomes a walkover for the Nicholls hotpot.
I don’t think that you could ruin a horse if it is allowed to come home in it’s own time and still pick up 10 grand. Surely the horse will run for lesser prize-money in future and in bigger fields with a reduced chance of picking up that kind of money.
But, probably GOOD ground is a real issue these days.
I was thinking this morning that connections had paid £200 to enter, with £5k for third place, so were effectively having a bet at 24-1 to jump round.
To withdraw when they were almost guaranteed £10k is, as you say, ridiculous. When is the horse ever likely to pick up that amount of prize money?
This situation is now ridiculous. I am starting to lose interest and I think a lot of other people are as well.
Why has good ground become a problem all of a sudden?
Racegoers at Exeter have been cheated today. I don’t expect they will get any sort of refund for getting one less race than advertised.
Depends on the horse. Certain jump horses not built for a quick surface could injure themselves and it could be season or even career over. Trainers will have had discussions with their owners as well.
I understand horses not running on quick ground; but Good?? What are they breeding? It is getting worse, isn’t it?
It’s a terrible advert for NH, which seems hell bent on becoming irrelevant. Low sun, good ground, smaller fences, etc
I’m sure I’ve asked a similar question before but does the winner collect all £40k of the pot?
According to the RP prize money was only 21k. Probably, because it turned into a walk over, the 2nd and 3rd prize money don’t have to be distributed to the winner.
I think if all three turned up with only one finishing all the money would have gone to that horse. But, I have no rulebook on hand.If some horses are so delicate that good ground is a danger to them, perhaps they should not be allowed to race at all.
I believe Skelton has talked about it being a welfare issue on ITV. I wish trainers would think about what they are saying. It can clearly be twisted by racing’s opponents to say any trainer who ran a horse on that ground today was not concerned about their welfare.
It is no use saying Skelton did not say that and it is more nuanced. Subtlety gets lost in the social media age.
“I don’t think that you could ruin a horse if it is allowed to come home in it’s own time”.
Based on the way Skelton has ridden a few in the last week, he was probably planning on doing that anyway.
Yes Richard Hoiles has just confirmed only the winning prize of £21k was paid out as the other two runners were withdrawn after the declaration stage.
Had a quick look at the careers of those horses who ran in the equivalent race on good or G/F ground during the period 1997-2006 (random 10 year period). The majority went on to careers spanning a fair few years and 15+ races – of those who didn’t, most were either mares or had demonstrated that they were very slow. Hard to argue that running these horses in this race on good ground did them any harm.
I was thinking this morning that connections had paid £200 to enter, with £5k for third place, so were effectively having a bet at 24-1 to jump round.
And you never know, the other one might fall.
I was thinking about going today before the entries came out but the Haldon Gold Cup looked very disappointing on paper and seeing Captain Teague jump a fence in person would have been an appeal so its decision vindicated in that regard in that he didnt jump anything. I’m about 5 miles from the course and its been incredibly dry for the time of year for weeks now. Sue Gardner is a local trainer who took one out in this race and she is very small as a stable vs Nicholls and Skelton and for her to do that given the prize money suggests to me the ground probably was a bit on the risky side.
Nicky Henderson will be worried about a cotton wool shortage at this rate
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The form most of the Nicholls horses are in I’m surprised Captain Teague didn’t get beat in a walkover
Can you imagine if Harry Skelton just hacked around to collect prize money without trying to give the horse a reasonable chance to win? The fine would be larger than the entry fee.
No rain forecast so far leading into Cheltenham next week, I imagine we’ll get more piss poor turnouts. Ole to the jumps season, thank the lord for the all weather.
I for one applaud the decisions of Gardner and Skelton to forego “easy prizemoney” and taking out their horses in this race.
Daring Plan has an extremely rounded pounding action and according to Timeform going assessments has never raced on anything else but Heavy under rules.
Deafening Silence’s action isn’t quite as rounded but is still a round action and also looks an awkward splayed one. 3 runs under rules. His first start on good-soft – third… And his two victories on Soft and last time out heavy. A surface that is almost certain to benefit the horse. 318 days between his last PTP and Under Rules debut and then 380 to his second start – also suggests a previous problem that may have been due to a leg problem.
Daring Plan was also pulled up on his final PTP start which was on the soundest ground he’s ever raced on, where a 318 day break resulted.
If you’re able to watch the replays of their previous starts, it may be enlightening.
The risk of career ending injury with such round actioned horses is just too great on “Good” ground. You cannot allow a horse to “come home in its own time” from the start. They have to race until not having any chance of winning and “racing” might break them.
Maybe you could say they should not have been entered, but I suppose there was always a chance of good-soft.
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