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Yeah reports here (@3am!!) are that Ortensia sustained an inch cut to a fetlock and is coming home now. Did a good job over there and is probably a good chance to be retired now. Don’t fret geezers there are a heap of top shelf gallopers emerging here to launch another assault there next year. !!!
Messara walked the track and has told Aussie media the track is the equivalent of our dead ie perfect, not too hard. Not sure but probably our soft is your dead, our dead is your fast, our fast is your flint hard call off the races!!
She likes room to wind up always has. She can win over 1300-1400 in top company but any further forget it.
Ortensia goes really good on our dead’ish rated tracks, which I believe is what you have there today. Our sprinters are simply better so if you like her I think you’re mainly gambling against her holding her form and recovering well from her last run.
Can’t believe anyone thinks there is a sizeable difference between 5f and 6f. That’s got to be a wind up surely.
She didn’t really come of age until she was six when she won her first Group 1 after 7 failed atempts which is not unusual with mares and hasn’t looked back since.
Ortensia was a gun 3yo filly but had a few setbacks that held her back. She won the prelude to our thousand guineas beating some of the best fillies around at the time. Later in the season she won the QTC cup and ran 3rd in the Stradbroke. Returned in the spring to run very good races behind Apache Cat and All Silent, both world class sprinters in their prime.
Just give up Hurdygurdyman you have got no idea.
Don’t be ridiculous…every Aussie horse that wins has improved big time once they step foot on our soil and the ones that get beat are simply running to their Aussie form.
No one is saying she’d beat Black Blah De Blah and the reason I’d like to see them meet again is to prove beyond a doubt to UK ignoramuses like me that Black Blah De Blah is blah blah blah ……. You should be thankful when Black Doo De Dah ran below her boodebop over here because blah de blah .. de blah blah blah ……..
Oh yeah I know where you’re coming from now dude! UK form is the best of all time and Frankel is the ****. I get it!!!
Frankel may have to wait to sow his oats if they can get Black Caviar back on the racecourse. Would love to see Black Caviar V Otensia before they retire if they do get her back.
I know they met before but Ortensia wasn’t anywhere near as he is now.
Yes SHE was – Ortensia hasn’t improved in England. She’s racing to her Aussie form which is enough to win in England. Black Caviar at her best would wipe the floor with Ortensia. England saw the greatest sprinter of all time win one of Europe’s best sprint races racing 6-8 lengths below her best.
Great result for a damn good sprinter. Usually doesn’t go well on rain affected ground but there you go she seems to be bringing her good form lately and it’s enough to get the job done over there.
For everyone who thought/thinks Black Caviar was disappointing and overrated after seeing her at Ascot – Ortensia is 6-7 lengths inferior to BC when both are at their best. If she was at her best at Ascot I think she wins by 6-8 lengths on the bridle….and her reputation remains intact and Frankel comparisons are justified.
I suspect we might have another superstar back home called Pierro. Having said that he will now race like a donkey and make me look silly. Till the next Aussie goes to England to kick pommie butt I bid you all safe travels and happy times!
Plenty of hubris alive and well in some uk racing fans !
Can’t believe the vitriol against anyone dare questioning Frankel. Wow some of you really love this horse don’t you!
Pretty piss poor form pulling the racist card but there you go that’s the internet for you no shortage of puffy chest online warriors.
I’d have thought posting links to certain race videos of interest would count as a positive and worthwhile contribution?
Never let facts get in the way of a good online sledge!
Likewise in opposite I hope Ortensia SYT and Black Caviar all get the job done over there. Hope Frankel flys too, because it is true horses know nothing about nationalities. I own/race 7 horses personally and can appreciate a good horse no matter where they are from – similar to most of us – but not all!
Cheers and Go the Aussies!!!
Not much gets my blood boiling, but the attitude of some of the Australian posters on here leaves a lot to be desired.
A massive collective chip on their shoulders perhaps.
If I had my way, I’d ban them all. A bunch of arrogant, moaning sweetie wives.
I hope Black Caviar gets stuffed.
Reckon I could speak for most saying we don’t like pom snobby arrogance either.
See it’s like this – you will let slide all manner of snide remarks about SYT, cart horse, one paced, etc – but look the fk out if anyone says ANYTHING even remotely against your superhero frankel, then we are disrespectful chip on shoulder should be banned etc.
In short I think you’re an arrogant hypocrite.
Moody nailed it when he said how ridiculous it was that BC had to travel half way around the world to race against INFERIOR horses in order to prove her greatness. Mate she has nothing to prove and everything to lose by doing this. You guys should be writing handwritten letters thanking the owners for bringing her there – you should be honoured by her mere presence. And it’s all because of wank prestige.
Does Frankel have to come to Australia – home to some of the best milers in the world – in order to prove he is the best?
Don’t tell me – you’re scoffing at that right?
Jerry Bailey says someplace that the truly great horses have a turn of foot at the end no matter how the race is run.(see Sea the Stars)
Well then can we erase Frankel’s name from the list of greats based on him getting the staggers over the final furlong last year at this meeting?
This is the race of the carnival – the best 2 middle distance turf horses in the world locking horns again (if team fwankel had any nuts they’d be in this too)
Hope it’s a true and proper race and not a staged stamina test with some greyhound up front bounding along at the speed of light like they always do over there. Turn of foot is a talent just as valuable and spectacular as is stamina and I’ve got zero clue why uk racing is so obsessed with making everything an exhausting slog.
Looking forward to it big time !
10 lengths that’s horsesh@t I don’t rate Gary crispe as that great a judge. He’s the bloke who rated sunline above northerly despite getting beat 3 times carrying less weight each time.
Hay list is comparable to Choisir or possibly slightly better than him, BC ain’t 10 lengths better than Hay List.
Bumped into an Aussie who’s over for the racing on the Warren Hill gallops yesterday morning. Not surprisingly he was bullish about the mare’s prospects, but he was just as certain that I should keep an eye on another horse ‘Helmet’. He reckoned he was backing it EW and kept telling me that I shouldn’t discount it.
Helmut against Black Caviar? He was getting beaten in 3yo races in Australia before he left. He’s a nice horse but seriously we’re talking one of the best sprinters ever to pull on a bridle he would need to improve a fair bit on his peak early 3yo form to beat her. And signs are he’s struggling to even recapture that form so not sure about that.
At his best I’d rate Helmut sImilar but slightly inferior to Starspangledbanner. But like I said it appears he’s lost a bit since he won the caulfield guineas (same 3yo race starspangledbanner won).
Ortensia is a serious horse – very capable of winning the kings stand if she is on her game. Seems to race well when kept fresh and as long as she’s settled in – reports seem to indicate she has – then the 6.6 on Betfair seems a good bet.
Pity More Joyous didn’t go over to race against Frankel that would’ve been fun to watch too.
And SYT flying the flag over the middle distance for us ….. although he’s been over there such a long time now we can barely call him Aussie anymore can we?