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    RobinCarmody1980
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    Something I hope will be appreciated here – a list of commentators at various meetings 1958-2002, mainly taken from cards made available on eBay (the scans on the site, rather than buying them myself).

    http://www.mediafire.com/view/?cdm2plk0c629x7n

    Note that I was also ‘FebruaryCallendar’ who posted the TV coverage details a while back.

    RPC

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    TheBluesBrother
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    Does the data have a slight error, it has

    John Rickman

    down as John Hickman, close but no cigar :D

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    rory
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    Does the data have a slight error, it has

    John Rickman

    down as John Hickman, close but no cigar :D

    John Hickman is correct – The trilby-toting Mr Rickman is another person entirely.

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    graysonscolumn
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    Sterling work, Robin, and something I know will fascinate the likes of Crusty Patch on here as much as it does myself.

    Would you welcome additions to the list? There’s doubtless several of us on here who retain the racecards from their trips to the races however many years or decades later, and can fill in some more gaps accordingly.

    If the cut-off point is set to 2002 deliberately, I can still provide a few names and dates. If you’d like more recent than that as well, I can provide a stack load more. 8)

    gc

    PS Would be lovely, of course, if Racetech could release the rosters of previous years into the public domain, as I can’t see what harm it would do. We live in hope…

    The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

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    paulostermeyer
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    Would you welcome additions to the list? There’s doubtless several of us on here who retain the racecards from their trips to the races however many years or decades later, and can fill in some more gaps accordingly.

    Flipping heck Jezza – I have the racecard from every meeting I’ve ever attended (bar two) – but I wouldn’t fancy going through every one of them to list the caller :D

    To give a clue of the size of the task, here are the last five years worth:-

    http://www.ostermeyer.co.uk/Racecards.jpg

    The previous 25 years worth are in the loft!!!

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    yeats
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    PS Would be lovely, of course, if Racetech could release the rosters of previous years into the public domain, as I can’t see what harm it would do. We live in hope…

    I’m still waiting for the days commentators to appear in the Racing Post & BHA sites, something Rod Street said wouldn’t be a problem about 15 months ago :roll:

    Who is the latest commentator on the list you haven’t heard of or don’t recall?
    Mine would be Michael White.

    Do you get your racecards free Paul? I stopped buying in them years ago, thought most were a waste of money.

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    graysonscolumn
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    To give a clue of the size of the task, here are the last five years worth:-

    http://www.ostermeyer.co.uk/Racecards.jpg

    The previous 25 years worth are in the loft!!!

    I’ll be round your house later today then, yeah? 8)

    gc

    The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

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    graysonscolumn
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    Who is the latest commentator on the list you haven’t heard of or don’t recall?
    Mine would be Michael White.

    A Csaky

    is a completely new one on me.

    gc

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    Ken Grainger, wow haven’t heard his name for ages, think ITV only used him when showing long distance races at Newmarket such as the Cesarewitch

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    Do you get your racecards free Paul? I stopped buying in them years ago, thought most were a waste of money.

    I have for the last four years.

    I agree they can be hit and miss – for example today’s at Leicester costs £2 for the public and it’s in black and white with no colours – unforgivable.

    Whereas the racecards from Newmarket and Chester in the last ten days have also had some decent editorial.

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    PS Would be lovely, of course, if Racetech could release the rosters of previous years into the public domain, as I can’t see what harm it would do. We live in hope…

    I’m still waiting for the days commentators to appear in the Racing Post & BHA sites, something Rod Street said wouldn’t be a problem about 15 months ago :roll:

    Who is the latest commentator on the list you haven’t heard of or don’t recall?
    Mine would be Michael White.

    Do you get your racecards free Paul? I stopped buying in them years ago, thought most were a waste of money.

    I’m think, emphasise think, Michael White was an auctioneer, or worked in some capacity with Doncaster Bloodstock. Certainly used to hear him regularly in the 1980’s commentating at Hamilton in the pre SIS days. He was a pretty decent caller.

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    Who is the latest commentator on the list you haven’t heard of or don’t recall?
    Mine would be Michael White.

    I’m think, emphasise think, Michael White was an auctioneer, or worked in some capacity with Doncaster Bloodstock. Certainly used to hear him regularly in the 1980’s commentating at Hamilton in the pre SIS days. He was a pretty decent caller.

    Michael White certainly did work for Doncaster Bloodstock Sales, as did his racecourse commentating colleague, Harry Beeby, who I believe was managing director. I believe both also did point-to-point commentaries.

    Michael White was, I believe, also a director at Doncaster Bloodstock Sales. Harry’s son, Henry, is now the leading light there.

    White and Beeby covered mainly Scottish and northern fixtures (Beeby sometimes did the Charlie Hall meeting at Wetherby) but both fell out of favour when the first televised coverage of racing in betting shops dawned.

    They were relegated to meetings that were not covered in vision and were shunted off to minor, often evening, meetings that were audio only.

    Quite a few of the old stagers suffered this fate. John Penney, who originally was deemed suitable for "vision and sound" meetings, found himself doing more northern meetings because Michael White and Harry Beeby were not deemed to be acceptable. Penney himself later found himself relegated to audio-only meetings.

    Bryan Firth, who was a regular presence at Yorkshire and other northern meetings and was a subscriber to the Sir Geoffrey Howe Mogadon Man school of commentating, also thankfully bowed out at about this time.

    As Phil Walker rightly points out, Ken Grainger, who died nearly two years ago, was mainly heard on ITV/Channel 4 doing the early stages of the Cesarewich in the days when they had three commentators.

    He also did the early stages of Newmarket meetings on the day ITV televised the Irish Derby and was drafted in for early January meetings such as Sandown and Warwick when Raleigh Gilbert was on holiday in Kenya.

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    A few more for the list, from my own collection of cards. Think I’ve got a couple of spellings of names different to yourself, Robin:

    18/04/87 Newton Abbot

    Raleigh Gilbert

    25/08/87 Exeter

    John Cotterell

    02/04/88 Newton Abbot

    John Cotterell

    27/03/89 Newton Abbot

    Raleigh Gilbert

    16/08/89 Exeter

    Simon Holt

    28/06/98 Uttoxeter

    Iain Mackenzie

    27/02/99 Haydock

    Jonathon Turner

    05/05/99 Wetherby

    Doug Fraser

    13/10/99 Wetherby

    Stewart Machin

    02/07/00 Uttoxeter

    Mark Slater

    23/07/00 Southwell

    Graham Goode

    06/08/00 Market Rasen

    Mark Johnson

    10/01/01 Catterick

    Martin Harris

    13/02/01 Sedgefield

    Iain Mackenzie

    16/04/01 Wetherby

    John Hunt

    31/05/01 Wetherby

    Stewart Machin

    22/07/01 Southwell

    Graham Goode

    (Quixall Crossett’s 100th run; Mark Slater was originally named on the card, though).
    05/08/01 Market Rasen

    Mark Johnson

    17/10/01 Wetherby

    Martin Harris

    28/10/01 Aintree

    Ian Bartlett

    01/04/02 Fakenham

    Iain Mackenzie

    03/06/02 Cartmel

    Iain Mackenzie

    26/08/02 Cartmel

    Jonathon Turner

    15/09/02 Hexham

    Andy Orkney

    11/11/02 Carlisle

    Graham Goode

    21/11/02 Market Rasen

    Mark Johnson

    Hope this helps – as mentioned, happy to dig out more recent dates also.

    gc

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    Neil Watson
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    To give a clue of the size of the task, here are the last five years worth:-

    http://www.ostermeyer.co.uk/Racecards.jpg

    The previous 25 years worth are in the loft!!!

    I’ll be round your house later today then, yeah? 8)

    gc

    I’ll be round too, will happily enjoy going through all of those.

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    Think I’ve got a couple of spellings of names different to yourself, Robin:
    25/08/87 Exeter

    John Cotterell

    Yes, elderly flat-capped country gentleman John Cotterell was definitely spelled that way and not Cotterill.

    Similarly, it was Bryan Firth, not Brian. I remember seeing his name credited with the spelling Bryan, not Brian, on the Racing Television closed circuit coverage at the time.

    The programmes were directed by Lionel Hampden, mentioned surprisingly frequently on the commentator schedules in Robin Carmody’s lists.

    As Jeremy may remember from postings following his inclusion of a TV Cesarewich race in which Ken Grainger did the early stages commentary, Lionel Hampden did at least one of the Grainger slots in an ITV-covered race I remember seeing.

    The most eye-catching 1960s commentary slot in Robin’s list is John Penney at Alexandra Park. Not to mention the Manchester meetings.

    I assume the N.Locock is Nick Locock, a Jockey Club judge of yesteryear.

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