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    Still wondering if Philip Hobbs has got over that knock on the head he must have suffered prior to deciding it wasn’t a sensible idea to run Onenightinvienna in the National Hunt Chase. Much better to take in a nice, easy target like the Grand National instead. According to his favourite columnist he is now suggesting that running Village Vic in the Ryanair is too big an ask. Apparently, too many more highly rated horses in opposition. Much better idea to run off top weight in a competitive handicap. Does he actually realise that the likes of Vautour and others are not going to run? Perhaps he will come to his senses but I wouldn’t bank on it.

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    raymo61
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    We can live in hope Stilv. I have backed Village Vic for this at 25/1 but he seems to think the handicap route is best!!

    What do we know? :unsure:

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    Seems a very strange decision to me, I had him down as a very strong chance in this, not much to beat, and was bit surprised to see him not vying for favouritism. Ok, he could still go here, and get stuffed, but just thought it looked ideal for him.

    Might throw a few quid at him for The Plate, but it’ll be out of hope rather than expectation.

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    Gingertipster
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    Still wondering if Philip Hobbs has got over that knock on the head he must have suffered prior to deciding it wasn’t a sensible idea to run Onenightinvienna in the National Hunt Chase. Much better to take in a nice, easy target like the Grand National instead. According to his favourite columnist he is now suggesting that running Village Vic in the Ryanair is too big an ask. Apparently, too many more highly rated horses in opposition. Much better idea to run off top weight in a competitive handicap. Does he actually realise that the likes of Vautour and others are not going to run? Perhaps he will come to his senses but I wouldn’t bank on it.

    I think it is a really tough decision connections need to make Stilvi.
    On the one hand: Even if Vautour, Don Cossack and Road To Riches (as expected) run in the Gold Cup… Village Vic still has at least 8 lbs+ to make up on the Ryanair top rateds if they run to form.
    On the other hand: He’s got a lot more progressive types to race against if choosing the handicap route and will probably need to improve around 7 or 8 lbs to win that one anyway.

    Suspect what Hobbs is actually looking at (and doesn’t want to say) is how many “confirmed” front runners are in each race. The fewer of those the more chance Village Vic has of winning.

    imo He’s doing the right thing in keeping options open. If I were Hobbs – at the moment – think I’d go for the Ryanair. But that might change depending on who’s likely to take VV on up front.

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    Taquin De Seuil supplemented for this race looks back to his best form. He is a course and distance winner winning the JLT on good ground. At 12/1 and a very likely runner after his supplementation this looks an each certainty.

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    God’s Own is a sound ew bet at 25-1 in my view. Looks like the ground is coming right and was the only one to give Un De Sceaux a race in last year’s Arkle.

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    Vautour’s entry in this surely, barring a fall, makes this a race to look
    for e/w value. Now I know CHAMPAGNE WEST would have to find about 10lbs for
    the likes of Al Ferof and Road To Riches, but this is a horse that loves
    Cheltenham, and that’s worth more than a few pounds.

    He’s run 6 times at the course, won twice, including over C/D, been 2nd twice,
    4th in the Albert Bartlet and on his other run in January this year, he was
    travelling really well and making a move when he was short of room at the 8th,
    and all but fell. He immediately dropped to the rear, and was pulled up by Richard
    Johnson when it was obvious his chanc had gone.

    He’s 66/1 with plenty firms, or 40/1 with Paddy Power 4 places. I’m definitely
    having a go here, and I’ll happily drop a few points to take advantage of that
    4th place. This is a very decent horse, how they can price him so high I really
    don’t know :unsure:

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    Surely the even money around for Vautour this morning is an absolute gift!

    He’s miles clear of the current 3rd and 4th favourites on all known form and is still on an upward curve…

    They say Road To Riches is better on better ground but the last time he encountered good ground he couldn’t even beat the specialist two miler Sizing Europe (at 12 years old) over 2 and a half miles in receipt of 4lbs…

    Surely he’s an absolute steering job…has well over a stone in hand….course, distance, ground all in favour…as good a jumper as there is in training…

    Even if it’s to be believed that he’s 90% fit ( I don’t believe) then that’s about the same if not fitter at Kempton where he produced his best ever figure on a course he didn’t look happy at and on winter ground he’s not keen on…

    How does he not win this?

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    steeplechasing
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    The only way Vautour doesn’t win is if he is indeed well short of what he was last year – and he didn’t look short of anything when they showed him on CH4 this morning.

    The other is if Ruby falls off.

    It’ll be acutely painful watching for me, but I cannot see how he doesn’t win this easily

    Never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience, then onlookers might not be able to tell the difference. https://lazybet.com/

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    steeplechasing
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    BTW, to add to the pain, I had a good few quid on RtR at 12s 🙁

    Never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience, then onlookers might not be able to tell the difference. https://lazybet.com/

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    Have to agree Joe but it a shame he is running in this!!

    have backed Al Ferof and Village Vic without the fav!!

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    patriot1
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    Wonderful performance from Vautour but leaves a bad taste in the mouth. I just hope anyone but Djakadam wins the Gold Cup tomorrow.

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    Still have doubts about The Ryanair; Vautour was spectacular, but 1st 3 really should have been taking their chance in the big one.

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    raymo61
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    I have to agree Patriot it does leave a bad taste in the mouth although it was a wonderful performance.

    Currently I am Mr Angry from Purley (even though I live in Barnsley) for those of you who are old enough to remember Steve Wright in the afternoon.
    The farce of a start in the first race!
    Then If In Doubt gets hampered left right and centre to do me out of the exacta in the second!
    Then Vautour wins a race that the owner said he wouldn’t run in !!

    Time to lay down in a darkened room methinks!! :negative: :negative: :negative: :negative:

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    steeplechasing
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    Ricci’s post-race comments interesting ‘They insisted he wasn’t working well’

    Much more likely is Ruby and Willie thought they’d rather have 2 winners than 1. As I said elsewhere, Trainer’s brother said a week ago Vautour was Ryanair-bound

    Never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience, then onlookers might not be able to tell the difference. https://lazybet.com/

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