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    stilvi
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    You have to assume that the favourite is turning up in good enough shape to give his running. That would leave Ryan Moore as the only doubt. Ridden the horse twice and badly messed up both times. Personally, I would have kept Dettori on board.

    The instructions should be very simple. Sit close to the pace, kick on half a mile out and win by around eight lengths. Let’s see if he can manage the simple.

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    lionroars
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    you would think that if the fav turns up tomm he should win. i agree with stilvi not a ryan moore fan. never have been. im going for ew on SHEIKHZAYEROAD. had a nice break since his last win. so hope for a big run

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    steeplechasing
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    Simple Verse has taken a long time to find her old form. Now that she has, she must be backed, especially as this trip could suit her perfectly.

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    Gingertipster
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    Can’t go against Order Of st George. Has much more in hand than the official. Camera on the inside of the course at Royal Ascot shows he’s the only horse making ground/quickening at the end and imo worth even more than distances suggest. Irish St Leger can be put down to one jockey error, Moore dropping him out in a small field… and one exceptional ride by Frankie on front runner Wicklow Brave in a hurricane – freak result. Hopefully Ryan won’t make the same mistake again, there may not be much pace on here with Nearly Caught the confirmed front runner. Morrison is particularly good with stayers and might pay to put at least a saver on the Prix Kergorlay winner at a massive price. Quest For More can also race prominently. However, fact he had a hard race in France less than two weeks ago applies a lot more to him than OOSG. Finished out on their feet in the Cadran after a suicidal pace. Sheikhzaiyadroad is practically the same horse as QFM on Donny Cup form, but probably won’t be so prominently ridden. Simple Verse finally gets his chance at this trip, could easily suit/improve. Needs to to beat an in form OOSG. Back to form last time in the Park Hill but Beckett is only in “ok”ish form. Forgotten Rules looks to have had one target for a long time. Won this in 2014 and needs to come back to that soft ground form to stand a chance here. Litigant has won after long breaks, in fact could be better for it. Trainer bullish and warrents a saver. Others don’t look good enough. If Simple Verse is below form Order Of St George could run 10 lb below form and still win.

    My 100% Book:
    ORDER OF ST GEORGE 8/11, Simple Verse 7/1, Litigant 11/1, Quest For More 18/1, Sheikhzaiadroad 18/1, Forgotten Rules 18/1, Nearly Caught 18/1, Sandro Bottecelli 400/1, Suegioo 400/1, Gold Prince no price (beyond 2000/1)

    Backed Order Of St George with savers on Litigant and Nearly Caught.

    value is everything
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    steeplechasing
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    GT, that was a fast run Arc: no concerns about OOSG having potentially had a very hard race there? This’ll be his 4th race in, what, about 7 weeks?

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    BigG
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    If Order of St George has fully recovered from his run in the Arc, and runs to his mark, he will be
    hard to beat. Even if they are small, there are question marks about him and I’m not keen to take odds
    on. Instead I’m taking a chance on LITIGANT. It might put a few off that he is an 8
    year old, but there is very little mileage on the clock having run only 10 times. He has had problems in
    training, clearly he is a fragile horse, but when they have managed to get him to the racecourse he has
    won 7 out of the 10, including good wins in the Ebor and the November Handicap. He was very well thought
    of in his early days with Andre Fabre, owned by Sheikh Mohammed but was sold off after 3 runs. He has run
    well 1st time out before, and he will have to do so again after little short of a year on the sidelines.
    When he is well, he looks a very decent horse. It’s a bit of a risk, but at 14/1 I think he’s got to be
    worth an E/W.

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    steeplechasing
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    Well done lionroars 🙂

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    You have to assume that the favourite is turning up in good enough shape to give his running. That would leave Ryan Moore as the only doubt. Ridden the horse twice and badly messed up both times. Personally, I would have kept Dettori on board.

    The instructions should be very simple. Sit close to the pace, kick on half a mile out and win by around eight lengths. Let’s see if he can manage the simple.

    One word sums that ride up, pathetic.

    He should never have ridden the horse today and he should never ride the horse again. He just doesn’t suit Moore’s lazy, hold-up tactics.

    Any talk about the Arc leaving a mark will just be a smokescreen.

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    BigG
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    Great choice lionroars, well done :good:

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    botchy1
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    Great call Lionroars. Top stuff. Enjoy :good:

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    raymo61
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    Lionroars well done !!! :good: :good:

    Have to agree regarding Moore’s riding of the fav!! Why sit off a slow pace on a horse you know stays ??

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    GT, that was a fast run Arc: no concerns about OOSG having potentially had a very hard race there? This’ll be his 4th race in, what, about 7 weeks?

    I tried to allow for that Joe, may be didn’t allow enough. However, my price to beat was 8/11 and the SP 4/6. Shame it wasn’t 4/6 last night/this morning. 🙁

    Although I touched on the little pace in the race, may be did not allow enough for that either – first two flattered. Disappointed Moore did not race more prominently, but wasn’t that far behind Simple Verse and she raced only just in front of OOSG. Think you’re right, one race too many. I must learn when making others value along with an odds-on shot – to make the odds-on shot the saver. 🙁

    Hope Simple Verse stays in training and aimed at the Gold Cup.

    value is everything
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    steeplechasing
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    Well, Tabor seemed downbeat about almost all O’B runners today and perhaps they are all just there hoping for the best after a busy season

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    #1267360

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    just want to say thanks guys. yes done a real turn. could not beleive how close to pace he was. especially off such a slow pace. as for mr moore i still think he cant work pace out. far to out of his ground. almost to the point he never rode ascot before. but well done moore keep riding like that as not a fan. ile just enjoy my winnings i think
    thanks guys :good:

    #1267363

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    Wasn’t at his best on oosg or seventh heaven. Colm O’Donoghue was hard at it 3 furlongs out in the Yorkshire oaks and won easily in the end. I’d just forget about those runs and hopefully Ryan doesn’t make the same errors again. We can’t all be perfect. Is it just me but are Ryan and ruby Walsh very similar in their styles as they ride the best horses

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