Prix De L’Arc de Triomphe 2008

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    cormack15
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    And for those Francophiles among you…..

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    Agree marb it’s New Approach and Vision D’Etat for me, as havent seen anything that looks as good yet.

    Youmzain will probably take a beating between now and the arc to bring his price back out a bit.

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    Why so keen on NA ,Bulwark,it isnt as through the derby form is working out all that good

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    How can you say that when bar Bashkirov winning a maiden, the only runners to have come from the race ran in the Irish Derby where the second and third at Epsom, finished second and third again, and would have done it Epsom order but for Allesandro Volta’s waverings.

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    I always have a soft spot for fillies so its Zarkava for me… Which is based on form as well obviously..

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    I wonder if Curlin is really going to run? but I do fancy Doctor Freemantle myself and I think there could be big improvement to come from now till the arc. Zarkava is the obvious fancy and you really do have to go something to beat her. I have had a tenner on Democrate aswell.

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    Curlin races this Saturday for the first time on turf in the 11f Man O’ War Stakes at Belmont Park. He faces two former Breeders Cup Turf winners in Red Rocks and the evergreen 9 year old Better Talk Now.

    Connections have indicated that they will decide after this race whether or not to aim for the Arc. Watch this space!

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    Think Curlin could easily win the Man O War if the ground is Gd-Fm or better, I find that a lot of the Mr Prospectors (well most of them generally) are at their best on either faster turf conditions or dirt. Curlin has already proved that he loves the dirt (and the dirt loves him), I still dont have him down as a soft ground turfster though.

    Hopefully there will be plenty of cut on saturday to give us an idea of how well he’ll handle arc-like conditions. If it is firm and he wins, no doubt everyone will pile on in on him regardless.

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    I thought that Curling ran brilliantly for his first time on grass.We now know he can handle it so where do we go from here?The Arc could still be on the cards.Don’t rule it out. Cash knows the French racing scene.

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    Add another spoke to this Arc wheel and all of the sudden, the trajectory of this trail takes a significant and new curve due to Montmartre’s devastating Grand Prix de Paris win last night.

    My simple observation: the style of victory, and the trends to support Montmartre’s case indicate a runner who will be extremely hard to beat in the Arc.

    Royer-Dupre can send Zarkava to the l’Opera instead. With that stamina concern and New Approach’s unknown plans, Montmartre appears as an extremely exciting proposition.

    Prix du Jockey-Club form gains a significant boost.

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    Prix du Jockey-Club form gains a significant boost.

    I agree Montmartre is now a live contender but as he obviously didn’t show his true form in the Prix du Jockey-Club and none of the first 5 home have been seen out since it is a bit early to say that.

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    I thought that Curling ran brilliantly for his first time on grass.We now know he can handle it so where do we go from here?The Arc could still be on the cards.Don’t rule it out. Cash knows the French racing scene.

    Being defeated by Red Rocks, who has never won a European group 1 race doesn’t exactly instil much confidence in the the American dirt champion’s chances of gaining Arc glory. Add on the fact that the Arc is run on a righthand course and invariably on soft gorund, then it is reasonable to argue that all does not augur well for Curlin’s Arc winning prospects.

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    Add another spoke to this Arc wheel and all of the sudden, the trajectory of this trail takes a significant and new curve due to Montmartre’s devastating Grand Prix de Paris win last night.

    My simple observation: the style of victory, and the trends to support Montmartre’s case indicate a runner who will be extremely hard to beat in the Arc.

    Royer-Dupre can send Zarkava to the l’Opera instead. With that stamina concern and New Approach’s unknown plans, Montmartre appears as an extremely exciting proposition.

    Prix du Jockey-Club form gains a significant boost.

    Definitely agree the Prix Du Jockey club has been given a boost, dont agree that Montmartre failed to run to form there but he is all stamina and found that trip a bit short, the winner of the jockey club is also all stamina and I fancy him to stay the arc trip well too but just have that much more speed.

    Montmartres race record resembles Scorpions more than Hurricane Runs IMO. Hisa popularity however will make a better price for Vision D’etat.

    The 1m4f division from 3yos up is very good this year and so we couldnt rule out a hammer and tongs gallop that may favour montmartre but the value still lies with the as yet unbeaten Vision d’Etat who has already buried the arc favorite with some ease, and looks like further would be right up his street.

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    Definitely agree the Prix Du Jockey club has been given a boost, dont agree that Montmartre failed to run to form there but he is all stamina and found that trip a bit short

    You cannot be serious. Montmartre was beaten 24 lengths in finishing 15th of 20. If that was his true running then, as Ian Hislop once said, I’m a banana.

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    Definitely agree the Prix Du Jockey club has been given a boost, dont agree that Montmartre failed to run to form there but he is all stamina and found that trip a bit short

    You cannot be serious. Montmartre was beaten 24 lengths in finishing 15th of 20. If that was his true running then, as Ian Hislop once said, I’m a banana.

    Depends on how you look at a horse, I think every horse has a balance of stamina and speed (a trip and a pace), the horse that was third in the prix jockey club had won the 1000 guineas, montmartre on the other hand is a stamina horse and never got into the race, as he didnt have the speed for it. I would think that Montmatres actual trip would probably be in excess of 1m4f (I’d say hes bred for 2m+) so a slow 1m2.5f wouldnt be up his street at all. Montjeus love a fast pace and a stamina test, and usually a bit of cut aswell so we have seen a different horse in the GPDP.

    Has he really failed to run to form in the GPDP or was it just a task that was beyond him on the day. I would say the latter. If you put Bago out in a slow paced race over 1m4f he wouldnt really get involved and indeed when he ran in the international at york his run was a joke, but in a fast paced arc (both in 2004 and 2005) we all saw a different horse, yet he was probably in about the same sort of form on most of the occasions he was beaten IMO..

    The Arc will be much more similar to the GPDP than the jockey club, and so he obviously has a very good shout there.

    Vision D’Etats PDJC win was much more impressive than zarkavas PDD win yet look at VDEs price of 16-1 compared to the other two. I would say that VDE should get 1m4f very easily and only a furious gallop (which we do see in the arc often enough could catch him out but he looks tough as nails and I wouldnt even right him off being amongst the finish if the gallop was severe.

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