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    Well, it’s Royal Ascot, so time to get a new thread up and running.

    After 2 very decent seasons behind me, I’m very wary going into my new season, as getting three in a row will be hard going, but looking forward to giving it a bash.

    Been very quiet on the betting front since Punchestown, with only a handful of bets on the go, but had my moments, with decent lifts from Modem & On Fiddlers Green, and a very nice each way return from my old pal Aranhill Chief at 20’s, as well as A Momentofmadness at the same price in The Dash.

    I’ll take the usual approach this year, with a combination of Exactas, Trifectas, Big Race Discussions, Ante-Post targets, and a fair amount of waffle.

    Royal Ascot

    I haven’t really missed betting properly the last few weeks, and the break was very welcome, but some nice racing this week, and looking forward to having a few punts here and there.

    Not the biggest Ante-Post meeting for me, but I have had a go with these……….

    Royal Hunt Cup
    Bossy Guest 33’s to 50’s
    Von Blucher 50’s

    Ascot Gold Cup
    Sheikhzayedroad 14’s

    Ribblesdale
    Astronomys Choice 25’s

    Wokingham
    Big Time 33’s to 46’s
    Aeolus 33’s

    That’ll be it Ante-Post, but it’s a fabulous meeting, and I’ll play the majority of races. Of those above, Bossy Guest and Big Time would be my biggest fancies.

    Summer Targets

    Looking ahead to the summer, and with Galway on the horizon, I have a few in mind, the likes of these, which I have shamelessly lifted from the “Summer Jumpers” thread.

    Pendra – Assuming all is well with him, following his “no show” in The Grand National, and The Irish National, then he looks the ideal type to keep in mind, with ground more likely to be in his favour. Charlie Longsdon is often a man to keep on side of in the bigger summer prizes, and I could see the likes of The Galway Plate, The Summer Cup at Uttoxeter, or The Summer Plate at Market Rasen being right up Pendra’s street.

    Aranhill Chief – I’m going for a summer “4 timer” with this boy this year hopefully, having had very decent returns from him the last 3 summers. He thrives at this time of year, and I’m very hopeful of seeing him out in the coming weeks in Ireland. It’s a nice feeling to be on him at a price, and to see him bowling along in front, a hard horse to pass. Fingers Crossed. Edit – As mentioned, already collected from him at 20’s, and hoping for more.

    On Fiddlers Green – Another horse who does his best during the summer in Ireland. A nice pipe opener at Punchestown last week, and he’s very much one to keep on side of. Edit – won for me at 11’s last week, and the manner of his win suggested there could be more to come, regardless of going up in the weights.

    Devils Bride – Ran well for a long way at Punchestown last week, and was in front when taking a spill. If in the same mood, then he’s another horse to take note of.

    Shanpallas – A surprise, and late absentee from Galway last year, he’s been tenderly ridden when seen since. Versatile both trip wise, and also whether or not he runs over hurdles or fences. Looks very much like a JP horse, who’s role is to shine at The Galway Festival. Should he take that meeting in, then he’s worth a second look at the very least.

    Livelovelaugh – My final bet of last season, and he went so close to doing the business for me. If not punished too much for that run, then very much one to consider for The Galway Hurdle.

    Modem – Another one for The Galway Hurdle. Down the field behind Livelovelaugh at the weekend, he looks weighted to at least equal his fourth in last years Galway feature. Edit – Won cosily at 8’s a couple of weeks ago, and I just wonder as to whether or not he could go for The Galway Plate.

    Flaxen Flare – I don’t know if September quite qualifies as The Summer, well it certainly doesn’t in my haunts of Ayrshire and Lanarkshire, but I am very very interested in this guy for Septembers Kerry National, and I think he’s a horse to bear in mind over the coming months.

    Two horses I’m definitely adding to this “summer” list, are these guys………..

    Sandymount Duke – Finally getting the hang of things, and won nicely a fortnight back. He could have a very big season in him, and looks nailed on to figure wherever he goes at Galway.

    Vintage Vinnie – Very impressive at Aintree on Friday, and it may just be, after a few disappointments, that he’s more of a summer horse. 12’s for The Summer Cup is very fair.

    Cheltenham/Aintree

    Goes without saying that a lot of talk will be around these 2 meetings, but for the first summer in years, I’ve kept my powder dry so far, and haven’t added to my original bets, which I mentioned at the tail end of last term.

    Sutton Place 50-1 Champion Hurdle – He was one of my main fancies for The Champion Hurdle this season, but it didn’t go according to plan, and fences were mentioned. He wasn’t seen at all though until the tail end of January, when he came back out and won in nice style at Naas. He then stepped up in trip at Navan next time, and probably won with a bit more in hand than it looked. Connections quickly dismissed any notion of Cheltenham this year, and that seem strange to me, he would surely have been a player in The Champion Hurdle. I asked for a price before his Naas win, and 50’s was the best I could get, which I think tells it’s own story. I actually think it’s a poor bet now, as 50’s is poor value for a horse who now looks more likely to go Stayers route, or could very well go over fences. I think I’ll easily be able to beat 50’s as the year goes on. Edit………pulled up lame in The Stayers at Punchestown, and assuming he’s ok, I’ll hope to see him in The 4 Miler, and he’s already made some perms at 20’s for that race.

    Cause of Causes 125-1 Gold Cup – I’m wearing my Cause of Causes T-Shirt (Ok, it’s a onesie), drinking my Coffee out of my Cause of Causes mug as I type this, but I just think he’s worth one attempt at The Gold Cup. I wanted 200’s for him, but I didn’t get anywhere near it. After his win in The Cross Country, I would have him as potentially overpriced at 10’s for The 2018 Renewal of that race, but they must be tempted to win 4 different races at The Festival with him. Love him to bits, and have topped up at 66’s.

    Tiger Roll 250-1 Gold Cup – I’m not quite wearing Tiger Roll slippers yet (they’re in the post), but I just love this horse as well. Not pocket talking, as I didn’t bet him that day, but his run in The Munster National blew me away, and I thought he was dynamite. He was a decent long term gamble for me for The 4 Miler, and he did it pretty easily to be honest. There’s surely more to come from him, and if he can keep on his feet, he’s tiny, then, don’t laugh, but I genuinely fancy him for this. Edit………….he is now my clear #1 for The Grand National, and 50’s is decent.

    Bacchason 50-1 Ryanair, and 100-1 Gold Cup – Interesting that this boy didn’t go to Cheltenham, but I was hugely impressed with him at Gowran Park last time, and he must have a chance of progressing next year. Same connections as Un De Sceaux, and if they fancy sending UDS to The Gold Cup, then I think this boy could be an able deputy. He’s all potential at the moment, and a bit “leftfield”, but I like him. Another who I reckon I could get at bigger odds later in the year.

    Samcro 100-1 Champion Hurdle – Highly regarded horse, and he’s been looked after carefully so far. Very much like Blow By Blow, who’s been given similar “Kid Gloves” treatment last season, I think he’s a star in the making. I can see him being the focus of a lot of discussion regarding whether or not he goes the Supreme/Neptune/Albert Bartlett route, but as I don’t really play those markets heavily Ante-Post, I thought I’d take a swing at the big one……..should he progress rapidly, and with the chance of Petit Mouchoir going chasing, and Apples Jade staying in The Mares. It’s helluva unlikely that he’all go Champion Hurdle, but worth a swing at it. As I said, I really think he’s a star in the making, and it’s very rare for me to be excited about a Novice Hurdler.

    Sizing Codelco 100-1 Cheltenham Gold Cup – The Tizzard/Potts combination is dynamite just now, and I hope the hot streak can continue into next season with this guy. Loads to like about the way he fought off all comers at Aintree, and I couldn’t resist a go at that price with Paddy Power (took 66’s with Stan James as well). Connections rate him highly, and worth noting, that his poor run at Cheltenham was during that unfortunate spell, when there was clearly something affecting the yards runners. I’ve taken him at 500-1 for The Ladbroke Gold Cup/Cheltenham Gold Cup Double, and 33’s for The Ladbroke itself. Edit…..has came out and won at Punchestown, again, showing those battling qualities he’ll need for Cheltenham. He shouldn’t go up too much I hope for this recent win, and I’m still very excited about him.

    Tiger Roll 50’s to 75’s Grand National – After a close season review of things, I have now made him my #1 for Aintree, and have started chipping away. I did worry that he wouldn’t be the biggest for Aintree, but on reflection, if Elliot can get him there in the same mood as in The National Hunt Chase, or The Munster National, then off the back of a “careful” campaign, he could be a very serious player.

    Looking forward to seeing all these guys out in the coming months, but until then, what a week ahead of us, and if I could land a couple, that would be great, and if I could land a few others in the next 10 Months :wacko: that would be even better.

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    Great to see this thread up, I enjoyed reading the last one even though I only found TRF halfway through it. Agree about Sandymount Duke, I was annoyed not to be on him last time after backing him one start too early at Punchestown. He’s a really nice sort.

    Good luck over the summer and hope some of those juicy APs have come home for you by the time you wind up this edition of Nothing Gained.

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    Best of luck VTC :good:

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    Cheers Botchy :good:

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    @greenasgrass

    Thanks Grass, fingers crossed, that would be fab :good:

    Yeah, kicking myself for missing Sandymount last time as well, he’s definitely going the right way.

    #1305065

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    It would be an incredible feat to top last year Venture, but you’re just the man to do it.

    Give em hell

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    Nice to see new thread Bob think you been bored in caravan since last thread :yes:

    good luck

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    Cheers mate, no way I’d get bored there though lol

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    @buckers

    Thanks Buckers, it would be nice, but I can’t possibly repeat it surely. Won’t be for the lack of trying though lol

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    Ascot Stakes
    Moorside, High Secret, Oceane
    20p Combination Exactas, and Trifectas

    -£2.40

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    Windsor Castle
    Simmy’s Copshop, Roussel, City Guest
    20p Combination Exactas, and Trifectas

    -£4.80

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    Royal Hunt Cup
    Bossy Guest, Von Blucher
    £1 Reverse Exacta

    -£6.80

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    Sandringham
    Tisbutadream, Dancing Breeze
    £1 Reverse Exacta

    -£8.80

    #1305425

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    Come on Bob who wins brittannia i like Ronald R

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    I like it when we’re on the same horse Darren, I’ve went for Ronald R as well.

    Haven’t went mad the first 2 days, and had a decent return each way from Lancaster Bomber at 28’s, not quite the 125’s I got last season, but a decent lift nonetheless. I had Roussel each way at 12’s, and that covered the race for me as I had bet Simmy’s Copshop as well.

    Big disappointment today from Bossy Guest, really fancied him, and had 2 small goes in the last which were nowhere.

    I tend to wait till The Thursday of Royal Ascot before betting in every race, and I’ll have a go at it tomorrow. If any joy, I’ll do the same on Friday, and if I draw a blank, I’ll pull back a bit for The Friday.

    Tomorrows Bets

    Norfolk – True Blue Moon 12’s ew places.

    Hampton Court Stakes – Orderofthegarter 12’s and 14’s in ew perms, and 7’s and 8’s to win.

    Ribblesdale – Astronomys Choice 25’s ew Ante-Post

    Gold Cup – Sheikzhayedroad 14’s ew, and Prince of Arran 40’s ew.

    Britannia – Ronald R 16’s ew 6 places, and have added Araak for same odds the 6 places.

    King George V – Homesman 12’s ew 4 places, and 14’s win

    Fingers crossed for a decent day Darren, good luck.

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