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    thewexfordman
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    An I the only one who thinks the price of this horse is madness? I’ve seen on the competition section every second person has selected it as their nap. It seems to me to make absolutely no sense. The horse is rated 115. This race is now a level weights race and not a handicap. just off the top of my head i know that In this race there are horses rated 157, 153, 147, 140 and im sure there are a few more rated 130+ in the field. How in God’s name is 115 rated horse a 5/2 favourite when it’s effectively wrong at the weights against almost all of the opposition and in some cases wrong to the tune of 3 stone. Now I know cross country is a different discipline and requires a nimble footed horse etc. And I understand that josies orders has proven form but this to my knowledge is the first level weights race it will run in and I believe it’s madness to back this horse at that price under those conditions. I’m not saying the horse is without a chance im simply trying to gain an understanding of why it isnt about 7/1 and why people are so confident of it beating all the superior opposition.

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    sasa
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    He has beaten Any Currancy (157) in november. I can understand the price but not the rating.
    He was rated 129 and after his win, they rated him 115 … :scratch:

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 6 months ago by sasa sasa.
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    Nathan Hughes
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    Un De Sceaux is the nap wexford but I done Josies Orders for competition purposes. ie price/points

    Don't Eat The Pie and Don't Buy The S*n
    #1237922

    thewexfordman
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    I understand Nathan I’m not aiming it at anyone in particular I’m just trying to see the logic in backing a horse in this race at that price

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    Fran the man
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    Speak to anyone involved in and around the Mullins yard and hard to believe the confidence behind Uncle Junior here,they really think he will go very close at 15. At the prices he’ll be my e/w poke. Not a race to go too mad in though as it can be hard for them to even take the right course as we well know :whistle:

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    Quelle Farce
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    Am I alone in being worried that Baltazar King has returned, after Aintree, for this? Surely at 12, he should have been retired?

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    Ben_Bernanke
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    Speak to anyone involved in and around the Mullins yard and hard to believe the confidence behind Uncle Junior here,they really think he will go very close at 15. At the prices he’ll be my e/w poke. Not a race to go too mad in though as it can be hard for them to even take the right course as we well know :whistle:

    Had 80p e/w on Uncle Junior thanks to your post, I can see him now about a mile behind the others! :yahoo:

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    raymo61
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    Me too Ben!!
    Has Uncle Junior finished yet ???

    And by the way Mrsraymo backed the winner!!

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    Ex RubyLight
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    Am I alone in being worried that Baltazar King has returned, after Aintree, for this? Surely at 12, he should have been retired?

    That’s what I suggested a year ago, but you know I know nothing about horses and some morons always know it better.

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    Gingertipster
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    Am I alone in being worried that Baltazar King has returned, after Aintree, for this? Surely at 12, he should have been retired?

    That’s what I suggested a year ago, but you know I know nothing about horses and some morons always know it better.

    If there’s one horse that loves racing and loves jumping it’s the one you believe should be retired.
    If it’s wrong for Baltazar it’s wrong for every horse.

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    #1238084
    Quelle Farce
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    Difference between Baltazar King and “every horse” is that “every horse” hasn’t had the green screens round him after life-threatening injury in the Grand National, then been at an equine hospital for weeks recovering from broken ribs plus other injuries, all whilst being aged 11 (ie a veteran).

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    Gingertipster
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    Difference between Baltazar King and “every horse” is that “every horse” hasn’t had the green screens round him after life-threatening injury in the Grand National, then been at an equine hospital for weeks recovering from broken ribs plus other injuries, all whilst being aged 11 (ie a veteran).

    Loads of horses have screens put around them and come back. I remember Comply Or Die doing so before his Grand National. BK recovered from those broken ribbs and put back in to training. Had he been showing any signs of a problem they wouldn’t have run. Even went to a local x-country (I believe Point To Point) course and jumped – similar fences to today’s – well. Nobody knows where he’d have finished had he not made an uncharachteristic error today. Not as if he wasn’t well fancied, going off the 9/2 second favourite. Had he won the race we’d all be saying what a wonderful story.

    If going as well at home as when at his best – then imo deserved a chance for a fairytale ending to a great career.

    value is everything
    #1238318
    Fran the man
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    Uncle Junior was dreadful. It was Paddy that told me he was flying at home “he’s like a 5 year old”. Think his heart must’ve been ruling his head as he ran no race :negative:

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    Nathan Hughes
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    Josies Orders promoted to 1st place
    Any Currency disq, now where did I throw that betting slip

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    #1261578
    Venture to Cognac
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    Bloody typical Nath, it’s Belgian Bill all over again for me. Quantitativeeasing gets promoted to third, and I had him in a couple of Ante-Post slips, as well as on the day, dammit :negative:

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