June 24, 2009 at 00:44 #11859
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The many careless riding penalties points out to me the totally useless nature of such penalties.Especially when the horses in question are allowed to keep the races which they won through reckless or careless riding. I believe the horses should be disqualified and placed behind the other horse and if crossing, behind the crossed horses.I just watched Glass Harmonium at Ascot and the result of the inquiry was not proportionate to the offense.
Ryan Moore was banned for so many days but kept the race. If the horse had been disqualified the owner,trainer jockey,stable staff all would have suffered. Such a penalty would ensure no repetition of the offense. When the horse is allowed to keep the race only the rider suffers.The yard in question can always find another rider.The rider gets paid for riding a winner and brings a substantial reward to all at the stable.So everyone is rewarded by his crime except for the riding ban on the jockey.The jockey is caught between two stools .
The lessor evil is to take the punishment knowing that he will get lots more rides if he wins by cheating than he will get if he loses by safe and careful riding.So the penlty does not reduce the incidents of careless riding .which should be the purpose of all punishments.June 29, 2009 at 02:41 #236914
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There is no justice in the racing world.June 29, 2009 at 07:41 #236939
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There is no justice in any world. What I am advocating is an efficient legal system to keep racing as fair as possible without justice coming into play.You play the game according to the rules.You know the rules, you break the rules, you accept the punishment.The rules should create a level playing field. It was hardly justice when Barcelona scored against Chelsea in the dying seconds of the game but it was not unfair to do so.That is what I am talking about.June 29, 2009 at 07:46 #236940
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I’ve said for a while that if a rider commits an offence in a Group 1 which is equal to a 3-day ban, he/she should be banned from the next 3 Group 1s, 4-day ban equates to a 4 x Group 1 ban, etc.
Would certainly stop the Moores, Murtaghs, Dettoris, Kinanes & co.June 29, 2009 at 10:33 #236942
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Under your rules, racing would be infinitely less fair. For starters if reckless riding is involved the horse is automatically disqualified whether it would have won or not.
You say disqualify any horse where the jockey breaks the rules but what if he doesn’t win the race, you then have the great inconsistency of vastly different penalties for the same offence under your rules. I think I prefer to stick with the BHA’s rules.
As for your football analogy, if racing ever gets a third of the cheating that goes on in that game it will be time to worry.
As you seem to be based in America andy maybe you’re a bit miffed by the unjust rules over there which is understandable but please don’t try and foist them on usJune 29, 2009 at 12:01 #236949
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I would like to see the current bans and fines done away with altogether and replaced with a system that penalises the horses, for example it would work something like this (these are just my rough thoughts the detail would need to sorted out by people cleverer than me):
Careless Riding – Horse given a 7Ibs penalty for its next 3 runs
Misuse of the Whip – Horse given a 7lbs penalty for its next 3 runs
The scale of penalties would increase in line with the seriousness of the offence resulting in something like a 7Ibs penalty for each horse in a trainer’s yard for their next 6 runs if a horse is found to be a non-trier.
Clearly, there will be innocent owners unfortunately caught up within this system but it may focus their mind when deciding who to place a horse with and who they wish to ride it – which may in the long term be good for racing.June 29, 2009 at 12:37 #236952
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I would like to see the current bans and fines done away with altogether and replaced with a system that penalises the horses…
Wouldn’t be workable of course for Pattern races, where the essence of the business is that horses carry weight for age, with penalties according to the level at which they have previously won (except for Group 1, which has to be a completely level playing field).
So such a system would simply result in horses going off to race unpenalised in Ireland / France and elsewhere in Europe.
(c.f. Spanish Moon, banned in Britain, going off to to win a Group 1 in France!)June 29, 2009 at 16:02 #236977
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The glory and financial reward always outweighs the penalty.
This makes racing little more than a farce.June 29, 2009 at 16:23 #236983
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We might as well bring into the open seeing as you haven’t made anything like even a hint of a positive post since joining the Forum.
What exactly is your agenda?
If you don’t like the sport, and precious little in anything you have posted suggests you do, then please confirm the fact. Otherwise do us a favour and go pour out your misery elsewhere.
RobJune 29, 2009 at 16:48 #236987
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The glory and financial reward always outweighs the penalty. This makes racing little more than a farce.
Judged as broadly as that, the same might be said of Life in General. It’s good to know that you believe this Sport, which most of the rest of us here adore, is such a complete waste of your time. So why persist in putting finger to keyboard?
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